Re: [ccp4bb] Halide soaking

2009-03-31 Thread Ho-Leung Ng
Around here, I would guesstimate the success rate to be in the 5-10% range. Still, I always try it as it's so easy. I don't think longer soak times will usually do much to increase occupancy. Instead, try higher halide concentrations. I also like to try monovalent cations (Rb, Cs) but h

Re: [ccp4bb] Halide soaking

2009-03-31 Thread artem
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Re: [ccp4bb] Halide soaking

2009-03-31 Thread Savvas Savvides
nnini Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 9:11 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Halide soaking Hi, it worked very nice for me in 1 out of 1 case where I tried it :-). Very well diffracting crystals (1.8 Ang), rather small protein 20 kDa, 50 %solvent content, 1 mol/ASU. 20-30 s soak in

Re: [ccp4bb] Halide soaking

2009-03-31 Thread Randy Read
Somewhat to our surprise, we have found that, even when the halide signal is too weak to solve the substructure from scratch, when you find the sites (in our case, by using the protein model as a "substructure" in Phaser), they can still add significant phase information. So you can get mo

Re: [ccp4bb] Halide soaking

2009-03-31 Thread Alessandro Vannini
Hi, it worked very nice for me in 1 out of 1 case where I tried it :-). Very well diffracting crystals (1.8 Ang), rather small protein 20 kDa, 50 %solvent content, 1 mol/ASU. 20-30 s soak in 0.5 M NaBr resulted in 6 nice ordered sites. It was crucial for us to collect a 3 wavelength MAD da

Re: [ccp4bb] Halide soaking

2009-03-31 Thread Jacob Keller
: 847.491.2438 cel: 773.608.9185 email: j-kell...@northwestern.edu *** - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Halide soaking I'd like to remind folks here that if one's crystals are sturdy

Re: [ccp4bb] Halide soaking

2009-03-31 Thread artem
I'd like to remind folks here that if one's crystals are sturdy enough to survive halide soaking, they're *probably* also sturdy enough to live through covalent iodination. Iodination is easy to set up and if it does work out - one gets awesome quality derivatives with multiple sites (as long as th

Re: [ccp4bb] Halide soaking

2009-03-31 Thread Nian Huang
You always get the entry of Bromide into crystal by quick soaking, because it does not require the incorporation of Bromide into the protein. But whether the signal is good enough for phasing is another story. You have to collect the full data set to know the answer. Nian 2009/3/31 tat cheung che

Re: [ccp4bb] Halide soaking

2009-03-31 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
We were on a Br-soak flurry for awhile, and when I also talked to others, it would work about 20-30% of the time. A few years I compared a structure with Se-Met and native with Br-soak. There were four Br's at about 30% occupancy, and it phased fine. It wasn't as good as the Se-Met phasing, but we

Re: [ccp4bb] Halide soaking

2009-03-31 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday 31 March 2009 09:57:13 Jose Antonio Cuesta-Seijo wrote: > Hi! > > Normally the cell parameters, etc change very very little. You'll > only know if the bromides got in at the synchrotron by looking at the > fluorescence spectrum That won't help, normally. It only tells you that th

Re: [ccp4bb] Halide soaking

2009-03-31 Thread Jose Antonio Cuesta-Seijo
Hi! Normally the cell parameters, etc change very very little. You'll only know if the bromides got in at the synchrotron by looking at the fluorescence spectrum and at the anomalous signal. Normally some will make it in and some will be in ordered sites, then it becomes mostly a question

[ccp4bb] Halide soaking

2009-03-31 Thread tat cheung cheng
Hi all I am now trying to do bromide soaking, but i am not really sure does the bromide atom enter my crystal. So is there any signs that indicate the entry of bromide atom? e.g. does the space group, cell dimension change? or just nothing change, and the bromide atom just get in? Thanks very