Re: [ccp4bb] How to refine large moleculars?

2008-01-09 Thread Eleanor Dodson
With such good data you would expect lower R factors I agree. I use all the COOT validation tools - Ramachandran, diff map peaks etc to try to pinpoint errors. Also anomalous difference maps hoping to verify S positions and check the sequence fitting. You could let Arp/Warp rebuild it from t

Re: [ccp4bb] How to refine large moleculars?

2008-01-08 Thread Juergen Bosch
How does the Molprobity report look like ? How many Rama outlieres, bad Cbeta, rotamers ? What's your percentile ? Look at the multicriterion chart to fix your problems :-) http://molprobity.biochem.duke.edu/ Juergen Yongchao Li wrote: Dear all, Thanks for all replies. After water addition,

Re: [ccp4bb] How to refine large moleculars?

2008-01-08 Thread Yongchao Li
Dear all, Thanks for all replies. After water addition, R work is 0.27 and R free 0.33. TLS and NCS results no significant approve. Space group seem right, other space group like P21212 is worse. >From truncate result, it is not twinning. More detail is below: space group P212121 a=150.099 b=148.

Re: [ccp4bb] How to refine large moleculars?

2008-01-08 Thread junfeng liu
Have you tried TLS and NCS? Maybe these can lower the R free a little. But ,the quality of your model depends on the quality of your data and completeness of your model etc. Yongchao Li wrote: I have a large molecule to refine.There are about three thousand residues in one asymmetric unit. Ex

Re: [ccp4bb] How to refine large moleculars?

2008-01-08 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Yongchao Li wrote: I have a large molecule to refine.There are about three thousand residues in one asymmetric unit. Except for the lack of electron densities in several places, where the loops have been deleted, the rest parts fits well with density. But the R free and R work are all beyond 0.

Re: [ccp4bb] How to refine large moleculars?

2008-01-07 Thread Lari Lehtio
kholm, Sweden ___ - Original Message - From: Yongchao Li <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 1:51 am Subject: [ccp4bb] How to refine large moleculars? To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > I have a large molecule to refine.There are about three thousand > residues in one asymm

Re: [ccp4bb] How to refine large moleculars?

2008-01-07 Thread Tim Gruene
Depending on your data quality and the nature of the crystal it might be that you cannot reduce R/Rfree any further. Low R/Rfree is not the goal of refinement and model building - at least not for the humans doing it. The goal is to get as good a model as possible, and if your data are not very

[ccp4bb] How to refine large moleculars?

2008-01-07 Thread Yongchao Li
I have a large molecule to refine.There are about three thousand residues in one asymmetric unit. Except for the lack of electron densities in several places, where the loops have been deleted, the rest parts fits well with density. But the R free and R work are all beyond 0.30 (R free = 0.35,