Re: [ccp4bb] R Factor

2014-05-22 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Pavel, surely technically you are right. Practically I would like to see the face when you next hand over a set of structure factors to a pharmaceutist or biologist with the words "please go ahead, design your drug" ;-) Best, Tim On 05/21/2014 04

Re: [ccp4bb] R Factor

2014-05-21 Thread Paul Emsley
On 21/05/14 14:57, Remie Fawaz-Touma wrote: Thank you so much for your replies. CCP4 refinement file is showing warnings that the Glc units are at distance (1.4-2.1A) greater than the acceptable one by the program (1.33A) from each other even though I got the model from a published pdb file.

Re: [ccp4bb] R Factor

2014-05-21 Thread Pavel Afonine
the R-factor is a complicated thing that depends on things like > weighting factors and solvent model - several things that are not part > of your model and that need to be adjusted by the refinement program > during refinement. > I think a more accurate is "are not part of your ATOMIC model". Bul

Re: [ccp4bb] R Factor

2014-05-21 Thread Remie Fawaz-Touma
Thank you so much for your replies. CCP4 refinement file is showing warnings that the Glc units are at distance (1.4-2.1A) greater than the acceptable one by the program (1.33A) from each other even though I got the model from a published pdb file. so the pdb file generated only shows me dott

Re: [ccp4bb] R Factor

2014-05-21 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Remie, the R-factor is a complicated thing that depends on things like weighting factors and solvent model - several things that are not part of your model and that need to be adjusted by the refinement program during refinement. That's why I th

[ccp4bb] R Factor

2014-05-20 Thread Remie Fawaz-Touma
Hi all, I am trying to refine a structure in CCP4 and the final R factor is about 1% lower than the initial but for the first “task/cycle” within the same refinement job in CCP4, R factor starts off higher than the input data R factor. I have a structure with multiple sugars attached, I did the

Re: [ccp4bb] R factor from merged data

2014-01-30 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I am afraid there is no real solution except to read the paper! And even that doesnt help if you suspect the merging.. There is lots of discussion about the merit of depositing UNMERGED data - and that would certainly help developers. Add your voice to the request! Eleanor On 30 January 2014 08:2

Re: [ccp4bb] R factor from merged data

2014-01-30 Thread Frank von Delft
I think the name says it all: "Rmerge" "merged data" So no, there wouldn't be. You'll find it in the header. On 30/01/2014 08:18, Fulvio Saccoccia wrote: Dear ccp4 users, does anyone know if there is a way to (re)calculate the Rmerge from a deposited .cif file in PDB? In this case is

[ccp4bb] R factor from merged data

2014-01-30 Thread Fulvio Saccoccia
Dear ccp4 users, does anyone know if there is a way to (re)calculate the Rmerge from a deposited .cif file in PDB? In this case is an already merged structure factor file. I know that the EDS from Uppsala makes it, providing the PDB entry, but I need a procedure in order to do it by myself. I see

Re: [ccp4bb] R-factor for radiation damage (R_d)

2013-10-17 Thread Kay Diederichs
Dear Daniel, A very good question. I have seen R_d plots jumping up and down, most often in low-symmetry space groups. I think the "mountains" are due to residual systematic differences between symmetry-related observations, differences that the scaling could not compensate for whatever reason.

[ccp4bb] R-factor for radiation damage (R_d)

2013-10-17 Thread Danilo Belviso
Dear all, I am using xds (with graphical interface xdsgui) to process several diffraction data of a membrane protein that I have crystallized. At the end, I run XDSSTAT in order to check the statistic parameters of the process and my attention is captured by the R_d plot: R_d drops during the

Re: [ccp4bb] R factor geeting stuck

2013-08-27 Thread Eleanor Dodson
that doesnt seem too bad an Rfactor to me! What do you expect? Eleanor On 27 August 2013 09:59, Afshan Begum wrote: > Hi ccp4 experts, > > I have collected diffraction images to 0.96 Angstrom resolution to the edge > of the detector. One data set give me the full completeness and > below i have

[ccp4bb] R factor geeting stuck

2013-08-27 Thread Afshan Begum
Hi ccp4 experts, I have collected diffraction images to 0.96 Angstrom resolution to the edge of the detector. One data set give me the full completeness and   below i have pasted my statistic values got from XDS. I have cut off data at 1.12 A  which seems to be quite nice regarding all neces

Re: [ccp4bb] R factor & R free struck

2010-10-05 Thread Roger Rowlett
As always, look at the crystal packing of the MR solutions. That is a quick way to reject incorrect space group solutions. I never realized Phaser had the issue you described with the SGALTERNATIVE setting, but to be honest, I've always run it in "manual" mode, i.e., I set up separate jobs in a

Re: [ccp4bb] R factor & R free struck

2010-10-04 Thread Steven Sheriff
How certain are you of the space group? I ask because in all versions of PHASER that I have used to date, it chooses the space group (when SGALTERNATIVE is set) after placing the first molecule and with additional molecules it then assumes the space group result from the first molecule is the c

Re: [ccp4bb] R factor & R free struck

2010-10-04 Thread Ian Tickle
On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 6:34 PM, J. Preben Morth wrote: > hi > remember to reindex your data to P21212 in case you used Phaser to search > all alternative orthorhombic SG's and it found P22121 > Preben > > Hi, re-indexing the data without also remembering to transform the co-ordinates (using the m

Re: [ccp4bb] R factor & R free struck

2010-10-04 Thread J. Preben Morth
the reindexing have no effect on the R-factor, I did indeed mean to remember to transform the co-ordiantes according to the indexing :-) On 04/10/2010, at 11.27, Ian Tickle wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 6:34 PM, J. Preben Morth wrote: > hi > remember to reindex your data to P21212 in case y

Re: [ccp4bb] R factor & R free struck

2010-10-04 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Is that necessary? Eleanor J. Preben Morth wrote: hi remember to reindex your data to P21212 in case you used Phaser to search all alternative orthorhombic SG's and it found P22121 Preben On 03/10/2010, at 04.56, Jack Russel wrote: Hi all, I have collected a data at 2.9 Å and the solved

Re: [ccp4bb] R factor & R free struck

2010-10-03 Thread J. Preben Morth
hi remember to reindex your data to P21212 in case you used Phaser to search all alternative orthorhombic SG's and it found P22121 Preben On 03/10/2010, at 04.56, Jack Russel wrote: > Hi all, > > I have collected a data at 2.9 Å and the solved the structure using phaser . > the space group c

Re: [ccp4bb] R factor & R free struck

2010-10-03 Thread Eleanor Dodson
1) Rigid body refinement wont reduce R factors much more than this - start restrained refinement with NC restraints.. 2) And yes - at low resolution you could expect a large difference between R and rfree 3) With such high NC symmetry is there any possibility of another SG? Eleanor Jack Rus

Re: [ccp4bb] R factor & R free struck

2010-10-03 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
A handy way to do what Paul suggests is the Zanuda server at York which will try refinement in all lower symmetries ... From the first email though two things are unclear: 1. How good was the Phaser solution (eg z-score?) ? 2. Did you only try rigid body fitting as you wrote? (I find regid b

Re: [ccp4bb] R factor & R free struck

2010-10-03 Thread Poul Nissen
Try a lower symmetry, e.g. P21 or P1 with one or two octamers in the asymmetric unit (well, unit cell for P1), but you already know your packing so no problem solving it. It can sometimes be very subtle and your model refinement will be the most sensitive test for the correct space group - so do

[ccp4bb] R factor & R free struck

2010-10-02 Thread Jack Russel
Hi all, I have collected  a data at 2.9 Å and the solved the structure using phaser . the space group comes to be P2 21 21. There are 4 molecules in Assymetric unit and an octamer is generated according to the symmetry. But after repeated rounds of rigid body refinement with REFMAC5 and model b

Re: [ccp4bb] r-factor does not reduce

2009-09-10 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
On 10 Sep 2009, at 19:29, Pavel Afonine wrote: Hi Sylvia, although modern MR programs perform rigid body refinement, it may be worth of giving a try a novel rigid body refinement protocol implemented in phenix.refine (MZ rigid-body refinement protocol), that has very high convergence rad

Re: [ccp4bb] r-factor does not reduce

2009-09-10 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi Sylvia, although modern MR programs perform rigid body refinement, it may be worth of giving a try a novel rigid body refinement protocol implemented in phenix.refine (MZ rigid-body refinement protocol), that has very high convergence radius: J. Appl. Cryst. (2009). 42, 607-615. "Automatic

Re: [ccp4bb] r-factor does not reduce

2009-09-10 Thread Ezra Peisach
On 09/10/2009 12:17 PM, Sean Seaver wrote: Hello Sylvia, Two issues I would consider: 1) recheck the space group 2) make sure that I had selected a good model for my MR search All the Best, Sean Hi Sylvia, If you have just used rigid body refinement - the Rfactor might be high until y

Re: [ccp4bb] r-factor does not reduce

2009-09-10 Thread Roger Rowlett
It would not necessarily be unusual for an initial MR solution to have an R-factor of 45-48%, depending on the MR program used and quality of the search model. However, after an initial restrained refinement in Refmac, a good solution should drop pretty smartly from there. Some issues to consid

Re: [ccp4bb] r-factor does not reduce

2009-09-10 Thread Sean Seaver
Hello Sylvia, Two issues I would consider: 1) recheck the space group 2) make sure that I had selected a good model for my MR search All the Best, Sean

[ccp4bb] r-factor does not reduce

2009-09-10 Thread Sylvia Fanucchi
Hi everyone I am new to solving crystal structures so apologies for the simple question I am solving a structure using molecular replacement. I have refined my structure with refmac however the R-factor and R-free do not seem to go down with successive rounds of refinement. The initial