Re: [ccp4bb] Weird blob appears

2011-10-28 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jacob, On 10/28/2011 03:46 AM, Jacob Keller wrote: Blob is gone--something funny happened, I guess. I went back to using the original mtz from scala, removed and replaced a bunch of waters, ^^^ maybe that solves your

Re: [ccp4bb] Weird blob appears

2011-10-28 Thread Ed Pozharski
On Thu, 2011-10-27 at 20:46 -0500, Jacob Keller wrote: I went back to using the original mtz from scala Curious. What were you using - the refmac output mtz? Just for the record - the refmac output mtz contains *modified* amplitudes, and Garib said many times it should not be used as the

Re: [ccp4bb] Weird blob appears

2011-10-27 Thread Rafael Molina
Maybe sugars? El 10/27/11 6:27 PM, Jacob Keller escribió: Dear Crystallographers, In the course of a reasonably smooth refinement, all of a sudden there is a huge worm-hole-type blob in the electron density (see pics). Has anyone seen this before? Is it some effect of the refinement

Re: [ccp4bb] Weird blob appears

2011-10-27 Thread David Briggs
I agree with Rafael, From those pictures it looks like a sugar chain - maybe 2-3 saccharides in a row. HTH D David C. Briggs PhD Father, Structural Biologist and Sceptic University of Manchester E-mail: david.c.bri...@manchester.ac.uk

Re: [ccp4bb] Weird blob appears

2011-10-27 Thread Jacob Keller
Part of what is bothering me is that the density showed up at one exact point in the refinement, and I am currently testing what exactly it was that changed things. To me, the blob almost looks like a mask of the molecule, and there is very little 2Fo density, so that's weird. I am also really

Re: [ccp4bb] Weird blob appears

2011-10-27 Thread Yuri Pompeu
Jacob, By simply looking at the figures you show, it does look like you have some type of long, maybe polymeric, molecule bound. With that being said: 1- It is in the symmetry axis so maybe be a little noisy there 2-If you are in doubt about it being real or not check the density and how it fits

Re: [ccp4bb] Weird blob appears

2011-10-27 Thread Jacob Keller
Blob is gone--something funny happened, I guess. I went back to using the original mtz from scala, removed and replaced a bunch of waters, and no more worm! I can't really figure it out, and wish I knew exactly what happened, but I think I am just going to non-chalantly move along. Jacob On

Re: [ccp4bb] Weird blob appears

2011-10-27 Thread Artem Evdokimov
Weird. It's pretty much exactly what a nonbranched sugar (triose, in this case) would look like. were the dimensions consistent with three sugars? were there any collisions with backbone or side chains inside/near the mystery density? It really looks like maltotriose... is the protein a sugar