Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] doubt regarding MR search model

2017-09-20 Thread Eleanor Dodson
allowed for some small difference in orientation of the > monomers within the dimer. > > > > Best, > > Herman > > > > *Von:* CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] *Im Auftrag von > *Satvik Kumar > *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 20. September 2017 14:40 > *An:* CCP4

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] doubt regarding MR search model

2017-09-20 Thread Herman . Schreuder
] doubt regarding MR search model Hello, Thanks all for your valuable suggestions. Two things that stuck me were "one gets to know if the space group is correct only after solving the structure" and "to try all possible space groups until one lands up with the correct solution". I

Re: [ccp4bb] doubt regarding MR search model

2017-09-20 Thread Satvik Kumar
Hello, Thanks all for your valuable suggestions. Two things that stuck me were "one gets to know if the space group is correct only after solving the structure" and "to try all possible space groups until one lands up with the correct solution". I ran Phaser with "all alternative space groups".

Re: [ccp4bb] doubt regarding MR search model

2017-09-19 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Well - you haven't said what the sequence identity between model and your protein is, nor if you have a non-crystallographic translation. With low homology that R factor drop is acceptable and rebuilding can fix it, However if there is high homology you might expect better. But this sort of

Re: [ccp4bb] doubt regarding MR search model

2017-09-19 Thread Mark J van Raaij
With Rs of 43/48% I don't think you can be sure that your spacegroup is right. You should always try all the spacegroup possibilities until you get a solution you are sure is right, i.e. that refines to Rs of around 35% or preferably even lower. More so in the case of screw axes, so try P222,

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] doubt regarding MR search model

2017-09-19 Thread Herman . Schreuder
luck! Herman Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Satvik Kumar Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. September 2017 16:02 An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] doubt regarding MR search model Hello, Thanks everyone for your explanations. I have pasted the pointless

Re: [ccp4bb] doubt regarding MR search model

2017-09-19 Thread Satvik Kumar
Hello, Thanks everyone for your explanations. I have pasted the pointless output to provide more information. Best Solution: space group P 21 21 21 Laue group probability: 0.959 Systematic absence probability: 0.818 Total probability:

Re: [ccp4bb] doubt regarding MR search model

2017-09-18 Thread Randy Read
Dear Emily, In this case, I was referring to the difference between 1065 obtained placing 4 copies of the monomer and 722 obtained placing 2 copies of the dimer. A difference of over 300 is substantial when we feel that an increase of 60 is enough to be reasonably convinced that a solution

Re: [ccp4bb] doubt regarding MR search model

2017-09-18 Thread Emilia C. Arturo (Emily)
Hello Randy, I'm chiming in about the last sentence in your reply: > Finally, I would suspect that getting a significantly lower LLG for two > copies of a dimer means that the dimer in your structure is slightly > different from the dimer in the model. > Will you please be more specific about

Re: [ccp4bb] doubt regarding MR search model

2017-09-18 Thread Randy Read
Yes, I can see how that message would be confusing! This comes from a new feature. Phaser now does a relatively liberal packing test as part of rescoring the fast translation results with the full likelihood function. Peaks that are rejected at this stage aren’t counted for the top peak

Re: [ccp4bb] doubt regarding MR search model

2017-09-18 Thread Andrew Leslie
Regarding the warning message "The top solution from a TF rescoring did not pack”, I get this on all the PHASER jobs that I have run recently, but looking through the PHASER log file I cannot see any evidence for packing failure. It may be that the failure is buried in an obscure place in the

Re: [ccp4bb] doubt regarding MR search model

2017-09-18 Thread Eleanor Dodson
You need to provide a bit more information. First of all about the data processing.. Is the space group correct? ways of being misled are: Non-crystallographic translations with a shift of ~0.5 along an axis - say a. This will generate absences in the odd h 0 0 reflections and can make the