Re: [ccp4bb] generating omit maps

2008-12-16 Thread Alexei Vagin
SFCHECK (method unknown) please see CCP4 documentation

Re: [ccp4bb] generating omit maps

2008-12-15 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I wish I knew more about OMIT maps, but after testing Kevins procedure (which omits overlapping sphers with perturbation) and SFCHECK (method unknown) I got quite biased results. It is years since I have run the full CNS/Phenix procedure which attempts to remove bias by simulated annealing..

Re: [ccp4bb] generating omit maps

2008-12-12 Thread Kevin Cowtan
I hacked up a little program to do composite omit maps a couple of years back. The purpose of the program was to try out an idea I had - an ML-omit map based on real space restraints on the rest of the density, using the same mathematics as is used for statistical density modification. This

Re: [ccp4bb] generating omit maps

2008-12-11 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
On Dec 10, 2008, at 17:02, Mischa Machius wrote: On Dec 10, 2008, at 9:52 AM, Mark J. van Raaij wrote: as a small variation on this, I would first finish the protein, and then include ligands, working from larger to smaller (ATP = citrate = glycerol = sulphates = waters). Sometimes several

Re: [ccp4bb] generating omit maps

2008-12-11 Thread Dirk Kostrewa
Hi Tassos, Am 11.12.2008 um 13:58 schrieb Anastassis Perrakis: ... Having said these, I will shamelessly admit here (as I think I also did in the latest Gordon conference?) that I have never found an omit map to be *really* useful, and it never told me something I could not see in the

Re: [ccp4bb] generating omit maps

2008-12-11 Thread rajan sreekanth
  Hi What about the SFcheck omit map calculation in 'Map and Mask utilities' module in CCP4? R.Sreekanth On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 Kathleen Frey wrote : Hi Everyone, Can anyone tell me a relatively easy way to generate an omit density map for a ligand? I know that CNS can do this, but I was

Re: [ccp4bb] generating omit maps

2008-12-11 Thread Roberto Steiner
There used to be a program called OMIT in CCP4. Seems to be still supported. I believe I used it years ago but I vaguely remember problems with some space groups (might be wrong though...) Regards, Roberto On 11 Dec 2008, at 16:20, rajan sreekanth wrote: Hi What about the SFcheck omit

[ccp4bb] generating omit maps

2008-12-10 Thread Kathleen Frey
Hi Everyone, Can anyone tell me a relatively easy way to generate an omit density map for a ligand? I know that CNS can do this, but I was wondering if there's a CCP4 related program to generate omit maps. Thanks, Kathleen

Re: [ccp4bb] generating omit maps

2008-12-10 Thread Luca Jovine
Subject: generating omit maps From: Kathleen Frey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Kathleen Frey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:30:47 -0500 Hi Everyone, Can anyone tell me a relatively easy way to generate an omit density map for a ligand? I know that CNS can do this, but I was

Re: [ccp4bb] generating omit maps

2008-12-10 Thread Mark J. van Raaij
as a small variation on this, I would first finish the protein, and then include ligands, working from larger to smaller (ATP = citrate = glycerol = sulphates = waters). Sometimes several waters (from automated solvent building) in place of a bona fide ligand (or a glycerol for example)

Re: [ccp4bb] generating omit maps

2008-12-10 Thread Mischa Machius
On Dec 10, 2008, at 9:52 AM, Mark J. van Raaij wrote: as a small variation on this, I would first finish the protein, and then include ligands, working from larger to smaller (ATP = citrate = glycerol = sulphates = waters). Sometimes several waters (from automated solvent building) in

Re: [ccp4bb] generating omit maps

2008-12-10 Thread Andrew Gulick
Let me also follow up on this point. I also agree that the ligand should be added very late in the refinement/model-building procedure. I also encourage people in my group to create a subdirectory BEFORE_LIGANDS into which they put the current PDB and map (or mtz) files prior to adding the

Re: [ccp4bb] generating omit maps

2008-12-10 Thread Mischa Machius
Kathleen - The easiest way is to simply remove the ligand from the coordinates and refine for a few cycles. Whether that is particularly meaningful is another question. Better would be to remove the ligand coordinates, shake the remaining coordinates (i.e., randomly displace them by a