Re: [ccp4bb] output individual redundancies

2011-07-17 Thread James Holton
I suppose observations from the same unmerged hkl (also known as a "relp") are independent in some ways, but not in others. For example, partials of the same relp are independent with respect to photon-counting noise, detector read-out noise, flicker in the source, and most types of shutter jitter

Re: [ccp4bb] output individual redundancies

2011-07-15 Thread Jim Pflugrath
etin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Shya Biswas Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 6:20 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] output individual redundancies Hi, I was wondering if anyone knows what HKL 2000 does? Does it merge all partials and treat it as one, because oft

Re: [ccp4bb] output individual redundancies

2011-07-15 Thread Shya Biswas
Hi, I was wondering if anyone knows what HKL 2000 does? Does it merge all partials and treat it as one, because often times I noticed with increase in partials the redundancy increases. Shya On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:24 PM, James Holton wrote: > At the risk of asking a question to which I shou

Re: [ccp4bb] output individual redundancies

2011-07-15 Thread Phil Evans
Summed partials count as one. SCALA doesn't adjust for <360deg, maybe it should as they are not independent. What would you call them? I prefer "multiplicity" since Elspeth Garman commented "if they are redundant why bother measuring them" Phil Sent from my iPhone On 15 Jul 2011, at 18:24, J

Re: [ccp4bb] output individual redundancies

2011-07-15 Thread James Holton
At the risk of asking a question to which I should already know the answer: do partials "count" as "redundancy"? That is, in SCALA, is the number of "observations" the number of recorded spots? Or is it the number of recorded spots after adding partials? If it is the latter, what happens if

Re: [ccp4bb] output individual redundancies

2011-07-15 Thread Ed Pozharski
On Fri, 2011-07-15 at 09:26 +0100, Phil Evans wrote: > Ed. You could count them from the unmerged output as you say, or I > could make you a special version of SCALA or Aimless maybe next week > Phil, that would be fantastic! Hope there is broader interest in such option (beyond Robbie and myse

Re: [ccp4bb] output individual redundancies

2011-07-15 Thread Robbie Joosten
seem to be a cif token for that. Cheers, Robbie > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:26:39 +0100 > From: p...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk > Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] output individual redundancies > To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > > No M/ISYM is different it&

Re: [ccp4bb] output individual redundancies

2011-07-15 Thread Phil Evans
No M/ISYM is different it's the symmetry number plus a full or partial flag. Ed. You could count them from the unmerged output as you say, or I could make you a special version of SCALA or Aimless maybe next week Phil Sent from my iPhone On 14 Jul 2011, at 23:15, Ethan Merritt wrote: > On T

Re: [ccp4bb] output individual redundancies

2011-07-14 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday, July 14, 2011 02:55:26 pm Ed Pozharski wrote: > I am looking for a way to output redundancy per individual reflection, > preferably for scala but if that is not possible then maybe for > scalepack. If you read the unmerged file from scalepack into ccp4 using combat, it creates a dat

[ccp4bb] output individual redundancies

2011-07-14 Thread Ed Pozharski
I am looking for a way to output redundancy per individual reflection, preferably for scala but if that is not possible then maybe for scalepack. >From my (admittedly quick) look at the scala manual it seems that I can use something like UNMERGED output option to exclude outliers and then would