On Aug 7, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Eric Christopherson echristopher...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Rich Alderson
ri...@livingcomputermuseum.org wrote:
From: Eric Christopherson
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 9:18 AM
Is there a subset of this group for people who like to
From: Eric Christopherson
I should check TECO out some day.
Only if you want to damage your brain. Have you ever _actually looked_ at any
TECO code? If not, try this:
http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2006/09/22/worlds-greatest-pathological-l-1/
(It is not without reason that it is
I have two Computer Logics PCTD-III Pertec 8-bit ISA interface boards
available. I have no
software or docs to go with them, though I should have at least one cable set.
From what I can
gather from past discussions of these cards (h/t Chuck G.), they require
driver-supplied firmware.
From: Eric Christopherson
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 12:09 PM
... Fortran and the Lisps
They're playing an all ages, no cover set at Showbox SoDo tomorrow night!
(Sorry, I couldn't resist. I'd pay to go see a band called Fortran and
the Lisps, whether by value or by name. ;-)
I view the language issue along the same lines as the OS (or monitor, or
???) that exists on
the various classic computers. With some notable exceptions, I tend not
to run Unix on my
classic HW but one of the original OS's that the HW was shipped with.
The same goes for
programming languages.
Sometimes a language doesn't appear to be mainstream until you dig
deeper. For example, Forth used in OpenBoot. Heckuva great idea. I
haven't the faintest idea of where OpenBoot stands now.
--Chuck
-
The first thing we do, let's
On 2015-08-07 18:22, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Hmm.. it seems that the pdf is containing thestuff that I've already read
somewhere on HP's website.
There are two possibilities:
[ B/R5:1000 DKA400:
[
[
[If you are booting from an InfoServer device, enter a command that
[specifies root 1. For
From: tony duell
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 12:31 PM
Not many languages let you built up what looks like a program in a
string (using the normal string operators) then turn that string into
a program (also on the stack) and then execute it.
Tony, have you met my friend TECO? I think
All the young kids are using Python and PHP these days! :O
Best,
Sean
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:24 PM, David Cooper tr...@marmotking.com wrote:
I program in Perl every day at work. I suppose that puts me in that
category. :)
-Original Message- From: Eric Christopherson
Sent:
On 08/07/2015 01:51 PM, Shaun Halstead wrote:
I have two Computer Logics PCTD-III Pertec 8-bit ISA interface boards
available. I have no software or docs to go with them, though I
should have at least one cable set. From what I can gather from past
discussions of these cards (h/t Chuck G.),
Hi Shaun,
I'd be interested in the pertec board if the drivers ever show up.
Cheers,
-Tom
On 7 August 2015 at 22:54, Chuck Guzis ccl...@sydex.com wrote:
On 08/07/2015 01:51 PM, Shaun Halstead wrote:
I have two Computer Logics PCTD-III Pertec 8-bit ISA interface boards
available. I have
On Fri, Aug 07, 2015 at 02:11:01PM +1200, Mike Ross wrote:
If you want to see how it works on bigger iron, here's a rare beast
indeed: my Application Starterpak 3000 - internal IBM codename
'Warthog'. A real S/390 in a half-height chassis. First video is a
power-up; let it play to the end and
Hi,
I've got an VAX4000/300 eqipped with an TK70, 2x RF31, 1xRF71 disks,
and an CQD-200/TM.
I've connected an toshiba Xm5701 drive to the SCSI Bus and the machine sses
it as DUA3. I have a VMS7.3 CDROM and want to install it on one of the
disks.
I've read some documents on HPs website but it
Is there a subset of this group for people who like to program in
languages or language implementations or libraries that are no longer
in common mainstream use? Or other groups for such a thing?
--
Eric Christopherson
Hmm.. it seems that the pdf is containing thestuff that I've already read
somewhere on HP's website.
There are two possibilities:
[ B/R5:1000 DKA400:
[
[
[If you are booting from an InfoServer device, enter a command that
[specifies root 1. For example, on a VAX 6000 computer, enter:
[
[
[
On Aug 7, 2015, at 9:18 AM, Eric Christopherson echristopher...@gmail.com
wrote:
Is there a subset of this group for people who like to program in
languages or language implementations or libraries that are no longer
in common mainstream use? Or other groups for such a thing?
I do
On 08/07/2015 09:18 AM, Eric Christopherson wrote:
Is there a subset of this group for people who like to program in
languages or language implementations or libraries that are no
longer in common mainstream use?
Classic to me is a confusing term. Do you mean languages such as
COMTRAN or
Eric Christopherson wrote:
Is there a subset of this group for people who like to program in
languages or language implementations or libraries that are no longer
in common mainstream use? Or other groups for such a thing?
It may be possible that FORTRAN 77 under RT-11 on a
PDP-11 qualifies
On 07/08/15 04:56, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 08/06/2015 08:20 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
You might check whether the BIOS config is set to autodetect drives
at startup; in many BIOSes each IDE channel can be set to Auto/None
or a specific config. Try setting all installed drives to a specific
On 8/6/2015 8:54 PM, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
Cool! I've toyed with the idea of getting a larger mainframe (zSeries)
but the aspect of trying
to get and configure storage for it is the main stumbling block.
I didn't realize how lucky I was with mine until I started hearing
about the horror
Having the CDROM write protected is normal for read-only media.The target
drive needs to be write enabled. Before you boot the CD, list the disks you
have.
sh device
Choose a disk that is unused/empty.
Once you get the $ or $$$ prompt, you need to restore the save from the CDROM
to
On Fri, 8/7/15, Eric Christopherson echristopher...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there a subset of this group for people who like to program in
languages or language implementations or libraries that are no longer
in common mainstream use? Or other groups for such a thing?
Funny you should mention
On 07/08/15 16:26, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Hi,
I've got an VAX4000/300 eqipped with an TK70, 2x RF31, 1xRF71 disks,
and an CQD-200/TM.
I've connected an toshiba Xm5701 drive to the SCSI Bus and the machine sses
it as DUA3. I have a VMS7.3 CDROM and want to install it on one of the
disks.
I think
That would be fun, although I don't think this list is setup for
sub-Reddits. I occasionally hack with my first love, APL. Wouldn't mind
some SNOBOL or PL/1 dalliances, but no time.
Lee C.
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Chris Osborn fozzt...@fozztexx.com wrote:
On Aug 7, 2015, at 9:18 AM,
Quite recently, I have a requirement to square very large unsigned
integers up to one billion bits [...]
Are you aware of faster-than-n^2 multiplication algorithms like
Karatsuba, Toom-Cook, or Schönhage-Strassen? If not, you might want to
look into them; if you're working with numbers that
Jerry Weiss wrote:
Having the CDROM write protected is normal for read-only media.The target
drive needs to be write enabled. Before you boot the CD, list the disks you
have.
Yes, it's vnormal that the CDR is ro..
I have the following devices:
du3 .. CDROM
and DISK0$DIA0 (RF31)
and
On Aug 7, 2015, at 12:18 PM, Eric Christopherson echristopher...@gmail.com
wrote:
Is there a subset of this group for people who like to program in
languages or language implementations or libraries that are no longer
in common mainstream use? Or other groups for such a thing?
I suppose
From: Eric Christopherson
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 9:18 AM
Is there a subset of this group for people who like to program in
languages or language implementations or libraries that are no longer
in common mainstream use? Or other groups for such a thing?
As others have noted, there are a
Hi Holm,
If the CD-ROM is showing up as DKnXXX in show dev, you just need the boot
parameters to be zeroed out or default or whatever ... nothing special is
required, just boot DKnXXX where that's the CD-ROM device and it should
come right up. I have found this to be the case on any VAX machine
I suppose so ... in the process of building various little
single-board-computers based on historical microprocessors, I end up using
their corresponding assembly languages, some of which are probably no
longer really in commercial use.
Mostly on UNIX I just use C (or Perl, or ...) but on other
As Antonio mentioned, the condist VAXVMS073 normally boots into standalone
backup mode. The only application
that runs is BACKUP.
if you boot
b/r5:1000 dka700:
(BOOT/R5:1000 DKA700:)
You get a bit more capability to handle disks. You can mount the disks and
verify they are
I am not a programmer, but...
A few years ago I developed quite an interest in PostScript, and
through it discovered Forth and bits of other stack-based languages.
I love stack-based languages in general (Forth was the first high-level-ish
language I
learnt after BASIC (which in turn I
Jerry Weiss wrote:
As Antonio mentioned, the condist VAXVMS073 normally boots into standalone
backup mode. The only application
that runs is BACKUP.
if you boot
b/r5:1000 dka700:
(BOOT/R5:1000 DKA700:)
tried this in the meantime... the system boots with b/r5:1000 dua3:
As Al says, the microcode was dynamic and loaded from the boot console.
I remember our (Deluxe Coachlines, Australia, 1987-1990) VAX 8550s and 8820
had PRO based boot consoles.
When we had both 8550s failing with double CPU faults the DEC engineers
loaded new microcode onto the consoles to
It doesn't even shunt across; it's just 16 pins in a DIL package
floating? Strange. If it were a manufacturing test, one wouldn't expect
it would show up in production machines?
Yes. It is just 16 pins unconnected to each other.
As I mentioned some messages ago it is used as a connector.
Backing up your console: Clonezilla is your friend.
On 8/6/2015 10:54 PM, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
I *really* have to figure out a backup solution for this so that I don't
get stuck but that
supposes that I have a way to re-create the OS/2 image that's already
there if I do have to
do a full
On Fri, 8/7/15, Eric Christopherson echristopher...@gmail.com wrote:
To Brian L. Stuart: What separates MCPL from CPL and BCPL?
I'm not finding much about it, although it looks like it has the benefit of
nice pattern matching.
The pattern matching mechanism was, I think, the big thing
he was
I am writing this in Celeste, which is the email app in the Squeak
Smalltalk programming language and system. The way you normally use
Smalltalk is to save a snapshot (called an image file in Squeak) of
your full working environment and which you can later restore to have
everything back exactly
On Aug 7, 2015, at 9:18 AM, Eric Christopherson echristopher...@gmail.com
wrote:
Is there a subset of this group for people who like to program in
languages or language implementations or libraries that are no longer
in common mainstream use? Or other groups for such a thing?
Well, I wrote
Yikes, that looks like more fun than even MVS JCL ... it'll definitely
help you win an obfuscated programming contest :O The more I play with the
truly older machines (emulations, mostly, to be honest) I have really
gained a new respect for how difficult and time-consuming it must have been
back
+1. This is my philosophy as well. If I can run something besides UNIX on a
machine, I will, and if I can program in something besides C, I will often
like to take the time out to play (although if I'm actually trying to do
something, I'll most likely do it in C because I'm most comfortable there)
Some of you may remember an IBM System/370 Model 155 panel on eBay a
couple of months ago. Something recently prompted me to look that
auction up again, and after reading this I decided to warn the list in
case it shows up again. The buyer left the following feedback:
SCAM! didnt sell 4 enough $,
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