RE: 9-Track 1/2" Tape Drive Recommendations?

On Aug 21, 2015 10:21 PM, "Ali" wrote: > > One question: from the pictures it was not clear if this used the three or two connector Pertec interface? I am guessing two but better to ask than end up with a 200lb paper weight! > > -Ali A Fujitsu M2444AC should have two 50-pin connectors for a forma

RE: Data I/O 29B

Hi Jim, Data I/O flew down to Texas every month, for sales meetings, we were doing a huge business for them. We would make joint calls and I remember that our field stuff was always updated as part of the trip. All our demo units had these cool small suitcase, foam lined cases. The FAE would

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

That's why I speak out against attempts to [...] Please don't misquote me. [...] I'm not the person who wrote what you quoted. No, you're not. I wrote it. You quoted it, with line breaks removed. Idiot. Anyone who is confused here is invited to go back and consult Message-ID: <55d7694f.

Re: Data I/O 29B

At microdata we had a support contract with Data I/O and every set of roms for the base unit and the Unipak came with a new poster up to date with the latest parts from the manufacturers. So you don't need to just get a poster or table or list, but you also need to match it to the firmware set

RE: 9-Track 1/2" Tape Drive Recommendations?

> I have had good results with Fujitsu M2444AC Pertec interface 9-track > 1/2-inch tape drives > > http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/fujitsu/B03P-5325- > 0100A_02B_M244X_Series_Streaming_Tape_Drive_CE_Manual_May89.pdf > Glen, Thanks for the recommendation. I had actually seen the drives you linked to

Re: Update on SA-800 Problem

On 08/21/2015 06:46 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote: One other thing I have noticed is that sometimes after a read problem on the bad drive the FD 1791 floppy controller chip seems to get into a "snit" that even a reset does not cure - I have to cycle power to get it back. Now that I have a reliable drive

RE: 9-Track 1/2" Tape Drive Recommendations?

> The Fuji, like a lot of drives from that era, handle only 1600 and 6250 > densities, so if you need 800 or 3200, you'll be out of luck. I've > also got a couple of Qualstar open-reel units and well as an Overland > streamer. I still like the Fuji best. Chuck, As I am more interested in workin

RE: 9-Track 1/2" Tape Drive Recommendations?

> The other big difference in later drives is if they were 'streaming' or > not. What that means is the tape is expected to roll continously > (stream) as opposed to being able to quickly stop between records. Al, Most of the units out there, short of the floor standing ones and the original IBM

RE: 9-Track 1/2" Tape Drive Recommendations?

Jon, > Enough Pertec drives were made so that manuals should be no problem. > Some other makes were made in fairly small numbers so manuals may be a > problem. I should have been more clear - the manuals were for the ISA interface card and the accompanying SW not for an particular drive. > You h

Re: 5.25 floppies that read but don't write

On 08/21/2015 09:50 PM, Marc Verdiell wrote: Chuck, I looked at the pin 2 signal and resulting drive behavior. It doesn't properly auto-switch between densities as it should. It does switch it for reading, but not for writing. Below is the full story. On 5.25" HD drives, pin 2 is generally a d

RE: 5.25 floppies that read but don't write

Chuck, I looked at the pin 2 signal and resulting drive behavior. It doesn't properly auto-switch between densities as it should. It does switch it for reading, but not for writing. Below is the full story. There is one jumper that controls DD/HD switching mode. In the auto position, I can read

Re: Data I/O 29B

I have a modified dos program that talks to the data i/o its the one that they sold with the unit but only ran on a 286 or lower system the modified one i have works in windows 7 in a dos box not tried it on a win8 or 10 system but i dont see why it would not work if your interested i can send it

Re: 9-Track 1/2" Tape Drive Recommendations?

On 8/21/15 7:22 PM, Jon Elson wrote: Enough Pertec drives were made so that manuals should be no problem. Some other makes were made in fairly small numbers so manuals may be a problem. One of the things I've specialized in is collecting tape drive manuals on bitsavers. There are docs ther

RE: Data I/O 29B

Something must be wrong here, the 29B/unipak is very easy to use. I was the rep in Houston (USDATA) and I must have sold 50 of these. It went for $4500 with the unipak. A typical demo we would plug in a dumb terminal, its a lot more effective demo to select a device than from the keypad. One o

Re: 9-Track 1/2" Tape Drive Recommendations?

On 08/21/2015 06:10 PM, Ali wrote: Hello All, Recently I came across a complete Pertec interface (card, manual, software, and, cables) thanks to list-member Shaun. Of course what is the point of having an interface if you have nothing to interface it to! So I've been looking at, and learning a

Re: 9-Track 1/2" Tape Drive Recommendations?

Ali, Whoops! I must've skipped over the part about shipping. -Tom On 22 August 2015 at 02:44, Ali wrote: > > Ali, > > > > I recently bought a Qualstar 1052 from Nico de Jong, which may fit the > > bill if you're happy with 1600 and 3200bpi. I believe he has another > > available. > > http://ww

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

That's why I speak out against attempts to [...] >> Please don't misquote me. [...] > I'm not the person who wrote what you quoted. No, you're not. I wrote it. You quoted it, with line breaks removed. > Idiot. Anyone who is confused here is invited to go back and consult Message-ID: <55

Re: Data I/O 29B

On 8/21/15 5:33 PM, Billy Pettit wrote: This is the poorest documentation I've ever seen on a piece of test equipment. The problem is they went through at least three generations of programming packs (individual device, unipak, unipack2/2A/2B) There is a text file (unipak2.txt) that I sen

Update on SA-800 Problem

Well, the Altos ACS-8000-2 power supply is all back together and working again, in reasonable health. And, as I posted a few days back, I swapped out the bearings. Unfortunately, that does not seem to have helped. Now that the problem child is the second drive, though, I was able to put a floppy

RE: 9-Track 1/2" Tape Drive Recommendations?

> Ali, > > I recently bought a Qualstar 1052 from Nico de Jong, which may fit the > bill if you're happy with 1600 and 3200bpi. I believe he has another > available. > http://www.farumdata.dk/lagersalg.html Tom, Thanks for the heads up. I have dealt with Nico, and while a real nice guy, I doubt

Re: ISA Pertec controllers available

Shaun, I see in another thread that you've found the drivers. I'm still interested in buying a controller if you've still got one. Regards, -Tom On 7 August 2015 at 21:51, Shaun Halstead wrote: > > I have two Computer Logics PCTD-III Pertec 8-bit ISA interface boards > available. I have no

Re: 9-Track 1/2" Tape Drive Recommendations?

Ali, I recently bought a Qualstar 1052 from Nico de Jong, which may fit the bill if you're happy with 1600 and 3200bpi. I believe he has another available. http://www.farumdata.dk/lagersalg.html Regards, -Tom On 22 August 2015 at 00:10, Ali wrote: > Hello All, > > Recently I came across a comp

Re: Data I/O 29B

i got a few of them and have the data somewhere i will try to dig it up and send u off list On 8/21/2015 5:33 PM, Billy Pettit wrote: > I have a small batch of Data I/O EPROM burners. Trying to test them out and > ran into a nightmare. They require a pin family and size parameter. But in > n

Data I/O 29B

I have a small batch of Data I/O EPROM burners. Trying to test them out and ran into a nightmare. They require a pin family and size parameter. But in none of the documentation is there any mention of what these values are. There are some generic pinouts, which are almost useless because Dat

Re: 9-Track 1/2" Tape Drive Recommendations?

On 08/21/2015 05:09 PM, Glen Slick wrote: I wouldn't want to pay the $310 that was asked for in that listing. I got one for free in a rack with some other Sun gear (which I later gave away for free) and a couple others that were $100 or less for local pickup. Ditto for the Fuji. Good solid co

Re: Cheap board guy

> I lucked out. One of the dead ones had a broken trace on the bottom, and > cracked corner of the socket for one of the big square chips. So does that one work now? > The second one started working after I simply re-seated the two square > chips around their sockets. Yeah, that

Re: 9-Track 1/2" Tape Drive Recommendations?

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Ali wrote: > Hello All, > > Recently I came across a complete Pertec interface (card, manual, software, > and, cables) thanks to list-member Shaun. Of course what is the point of > having an interface if you have nothing to interface it to! > Of course the biggest

Re: In Realtime: Saving 25,000 Manuals — August 15, 2015

On 15 August 2015 at 13:03, Liam Proven wrote: > http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/4683 > > Apologies if this is old news... Some pictures, from sun-rescue: https://www.flickr.com/photos/textfiles/albums/72157657277241785/page1 -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profil

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

> On Aug 21, 2015, at 7:06 PM, Geoff Oltmans wrote: > > > On Aug 21, 2015, at 5:40 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: >> >> If it were changes in the law, then it would NOT be retroactive unless >> explicitly declaring itself to be. > > Different places are different, but the US constitution explicity pr

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

> On Aug 21, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Mouse wrote: >> But that is not what the word means in law and it is not what the word >> means in ordinary usage. > > I'm confused on some of the terminology. I don't think that I'm alone. > A friend of mine was in law

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On 22 August 2015 at 01:34, Fred Cisin wrote: > and maybe it should have come down ALL the way to MS-DOS price Arguably -- and I'm aware it's stretching a point -- it did, in the form of DR-DOS. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Geoff Oltmans wrote: The way I've heard the story before, was that Kildall was surprised when he finally saw the price sheet for the pricing of CP/M-86 vs PC-DOS. I I've heard that, but it was from people who did not think that the original contact with IBM was mishandled.

RE: De-yellowing

> Another option (albeit slow acting, pro/con) is using straight 3% > hydrogen peroxide + UV like you get at the drug store. I used this > method on a few of my Commodore 128D pieces that were yellowed. It does > act very slow, but that might not be such a bad thing considering > people have had is

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

But that is not what the word means in law and it is not what the word means in ordinary usage. I'm confused on some of the terminology. I don't think that I'm alone. A friend of mine was in law school before he'd believe me that "burglary" and "robbery" were not fully synonymous. On Sat, 22

Re: Cheap board guy

On Aug 21, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > >> From: Mark G. Thomas > >> 4x M8192 - KDJ11 (AA or AB?) -- two work, two fail POST > > And alas, we don't seem to have any prints for that card (although we do have > what amounts to a tech manual, so maybe we can create a set, with a certain

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On Aug 21, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > > In fact, the clear copyright issue was apparently why IBM chose to ALSO sell > CP/M-86. However, there are disagreements about whether the pricing choice > was an IBM effort to sabotage the CP/M-86 sales, or a serious error by DRI. > (I bel

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Jay Jaeger wrote: The written records I have read state that Kildall finally came to his senses way way late, and realized what a market opportunity the IBM PC represented. But by then he was too late. By every account I have read, he blew off a meeting arranged by Gates th

9-Track 1/2" Tape Drive Recommendations?

Hello All, Recently I came across a complete Pertec interface (card, manual, software, and, cables) thanks to list-member Shaun. Of course what is the point of having an interface if you have nothing to interface it to! So I've been looking at, and learning a bit, about 1/2" tape drives. I've al

Re: De-yellowing

On Aug 21, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Ali wrote: > Is this something you need to mix like Retrobright? Or is it ready to go out > of the bottle? Also any long term experience with it? From discussion on VCF > it seems as Retrobright fails after some time passes (i.e. re-yellowing > occurs). I'd be interes

New post take longer to appear then replies?

Just wondering if new posts are moderated vs. replies? I posted a new message to the list a few hours ago and it still has not shown up. However, a reply to a preexisting message I sent out a few minutes ago has already appeared. Thanks.

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On Aug 21, 2015, at 5:40 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > > If it were changes in the law, then it would NOT be retroactive unless > explicitly declaring itself to be. Different places are different, but the US constitution explicity prohibits ex post facto laws.

RE: De-yellowing

> MARCH is having a repair workshop this weekend at our museum in NJ. > We're going to use a product called "BBlonde" which is made for women's > hair but apparently works pretty well on yellowed plastic. Evan, Is this something you need to mix like Retrobright? Or is it ready to go out of the

Re: Cheap board guy

Hi, On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 03:00:25PM -0400, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Mark G. Thomas > > 4x M8192 - KDJ11 (AA or AB?) -- two work, two fail POST > > And alas, we don't seem to have any prints for that card (although we do have > what amounts to a tech manual, so maybe we can create

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

On 2015-08-22 00:17, Fred Cisin wrote: On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Mouse wrote: But that is not what the word means in law and it is not what the word means in ordinary usage. I'm confused on some of the terminology. I don't think that I'm alone. A friend of mine was in law school before he'd believ

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On 8/21/2015 5:25 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: >>> Where would MICROS~1 be if Gary Kildall were to have been litigious? >> > On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Jay Jaeger wrote: >> How so? Digital Research spurned IBM, and would have had to take IBM >> on as well as Microsoft. Litigious or not, it would have been a

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Rod Smallwood wrote: It also brings up another issue. When they did finally get some legal stuff into place (circa 1988 over here) was it retrospective.? If not then by definition anything prior is not protected and my be freely distributed. If it were changes in the law

Re: De-yellowing

So, how does one de-yellow something? I have a VT-100 and some other gear that could use that process. Google for "Retr0brite". MARCH is having a repair workshop this weekend at our museum in NJ. We're going to use a product called "BBlonde" which is made for women's hair but apparently wo

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

It also brings up another issue. When they did finally get some legal stuff into place (circa 1988 over here) was it retrospective.? If not then by definition anything prior is not protected and my be freely distributed. Rod On 21/08/2015 22:34, Fred Cisin wrote: On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Rod Sm

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

Where would MICROS~1 be if Gary Kildall were to have been litigious? On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Jay Jaeger wrote: How so? Digital Research spurned IBM, and would have had to take IBM on as well as Microsoft. Litigious or not, it would have been a seriously uphill battle. The influence and basis

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

That's why I speak out against attempts to paint copyright violation as oth$ Please don't misquote me. That was not all one line when I wrote it, it was not all one line when I saw it come back on the list, and it was not all one line when someone else quoted it; for you to quote it that way

Re: out-of-mainstream minis

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Ian S. King wrote: > The datamuseum.dk collection represents 25 years of accumulation, I was > told. But more importantly, I think their work demonstrates a very > well-considered approach for presenting the history of the collection's > machines to visitors. Tha

Re: De-yellowing

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Jay Jaeger wrote: So, how does one de-yellow something? I have a VT-100 and some other gear that could use that process. UBIK

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Mouse wrote: But that is not what the word means in law and it is not what the word means in ordinary usage. I'm confused on some of the terminology. I don't think that I'm alone. A friend of mine was in law school before he'd believe me that "burglary" and "robbery" were

Re: out-of-mainstream minis

I'm sure they are very nice and totally harmless. All that was required was ("in Danish") after the link. I must say I could not make any sense of the system models they seem to be refering to. Was there a home grown system of some sort.? Kinda a Dansk Data On 21/08/2015 19:09, Ian S. King wro

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On 8/21/2015 4:34 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > Where would MICROS~1 be if Gary Kildall were to have been litigious? How so? Digital Research spurned IBM, and would have had to take IBM on as well as Microsoft. Litigious or not, it would have been a seriously uphill battle. JRJ

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

Hardly a surprise I'm 67 On 21/08/2015 18:50, geneb wrote: On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Rod Smallwood wrote: So what is the lifetime of a software copyright ? You're going to die before it expires. Quite possibly your grand children as well. g.

Re: De-yellowing

So, how does one de-yellow something? I have a VT-100 and some other gear that could use that process. JRJ On 8/21/2015 1:15 PM, Evan Koblentz wrote: > Going to be de-yellowing a //e Platinum this weekend. Check out this > picture of the top cover. You can see the non-yellowed part on bottom. >

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

On 8/21/2015 1:50 PM, tony duell wrote: > > I will happily agree that it is both morally and legally a crime to > distribute somebody else's > work that they get income from. The discussion of manuals and software here > refers to > items that the original author/company cannot or will not pro

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Rod Smallwood wrote: And... We have a new question. What would have been the first piece of copyrightable software? Combined with the issue that many lawyers and judges did not consider software to BE copyrightable. And then, there was a general consensus that the

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

On 08/21/2015 01:49 PM, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote: You want fun with music copyrights? Please go look at the IMSLP project. Here's their page on how copyrights work with regards to the sheet music/scores they are archiving: I'm very, very familiar wi

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

So when is the scanning party? -- Ethan O'Toole

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

On 21 August 2015 at 14:08, Chuck Guzis wrote: > This leads to some interesting situations. Archibald Joyce wrote his > "Autumn Dreams" waltz in 1908 and it has been reported to be the tune the > orchestra was playing as the Titanic sank in 1912 (contrary to popular > belief, it is extremely unli

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

>> That's why I speak out against attempts to paint copyright violation as oth$ Please don't misquote me. That was not all one line when I wrote it, it was not all one line when I saw it come back on the list, and it was not all one line when someone else quoted it; for you to quote it that way i

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On 8/21/15 10:58 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote: And probably many many more. CHM has educational non-commercal agreements for the following: Apollo software from HP 68K based 9000 software from HP 21xx/1000 software from HP BTOS from Unisys Alto software from Xerox PARC And there are a string of s

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Evan Koblentz wrote: That's why I speak out against attempts to paint copyright violation as other things, such as theft: it's an appeal to emotions, trying to equate "thing I want people to oppose" with "very different thing I expect people already consider bad". It's

Re: Cheap board guy

> From: Mark G. Thomas > 4x M8192 - KDJ11 (AA or AB?) -- two work, two fail POST And alas, we don't seem to have any prints for that card (although we do have what amounts to a tech manual, so maybe we can create a set, with a certain amount of tracing with an ohmmeter), so at the moment,

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

I would hazard a guess, Johnny, that whatever PDP-11 software you're referring to is *indeed* well under 2% of the body of all the copyrighted software ever written for computers we consider "vintage." But if you'd like to maintain your tunnel vision on your specific interests and cases, that's

RE: More on manuals plus rescue

> > I write for a (meager) living. If someone were to take my work and > decide for themselves that it should be online for free, then they ARE > stealing from me. That is reality, not the semantics of case law. I am not convinced they are stealing from you. Depriving you of income, sure. But no

Re: maybe OT: Powerbook 5300 OS upgrade

Yesterday I sent a power book 5300 to recycling. The display hinge was quite broken, it was given to me a while ago and I didn't see accomplishing anything with it. What's still kicking around here is: - the funky special HDI30-to-SCSI-DB25 adapter to get from the 5300 to normal SCSI

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

I should add- although I thought this was obvious, some people here take pedantry to the next level: *** I am strictly referring to software which is no longer generally available commercially, which is the 98% case for the software for our machines. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 21, 2015

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

Sigh. I'm just going to leave these here... Release of copyright http://www.ko4bb.com/getsimple/index.php?id=download&file=Tektronix/Tektronix_-_Miscelaneous/Tek_Copyright_Release.pdf Tektronix Policy on Copying of Out-of-date Materials http://www.tek.com/dl/Tektronix_Policy_on_Copying.pdf

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

I think in response to sharing bits, a "better to ask for forgiveness rather than permission" policy is as best as can be done, otherwise the hobby is completely doomed. I like how archive.org deals with it. If someone wants something taken down, do it by all means! Many current rights holders

Re: Cheap board guy

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Mark G. Thomas wrote: > I picked up a bunch of the boards too. My results have been mixed, but > for the price and description, I expected some wouldn't work. Sure. > 1x M8028 - DLV11-F SLU works. > 1x Plessey 32kW memory, works. > 2x M8186-YA - KDF11-AA, works.

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On 2015-08-21 20:31, Ian Finder wrote: I should add- although I thought this was obvious, some people here take pedantry to the next level: *** I am strictly referring to software which is no longer generally available commercially, which is the 98% case for the software for our machines.

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

On 2015-08-21 20:09, Evan Koblentz wrote: That's why I speak out against attempts to paint copyright violation as other things, such as theft: it's an appeal to emotions, trying to equate "thing I want people to oppose" with "very different thing I expect people already consider bad". It's a f

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, geneb wrote: On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Evan Koblentz wrote: On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, et...@757.org wrote: Years ago I needed a HP service manual for a plotter I was trying to repair that I owned. HP of course wouldn't let me have it, so I had to buy a PDF copy from someone on eBay

De-yellowing

Going to be de-yellowing a //e Platinum this weekend. Check out this picture of the top cover. You can see the non-yellowed part on bottom. Big difference! I'll post "after" pictures. http://snarc.net/yellowing.jpg

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

Wanted to add that my opinion of "freeing" manuals, etc. does not mean I am against Bitsavers or Internet Archive -- work that's done the right way by professionals. My main gripe is when an individual takes something that is still actively * for sale * (by the original developer, no less) and

Re: Cheap board guy

Hi, On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:54:52AM -0400, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Ethan Dicks > > > That looks like a great haul. > > We're talking about the guy on eBay whom I posted a pointer to a couple of > days back, the one with large lots of QBUS CPUs, memory, DLV11s, etc? > > > I

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

That's why I speak out against attempts to paint copyright violation as other things, such as theft: it's an appeal to emotions, trying to equate "thing I want people to oppose" with "very different thing I expect people already consider bad". It's a fundamentally dishonest bit of oratory.

Re: out-of-mainstream minis

My email wasn't 'go look at this site', it was 'I visited these nice people' with the link as a courtesy. What 'norm'? On Aug 21, 2015 4:51 PM, "Rod Smallwood" wrote: > Yes indeed "danger wears a coat of many colours" > > Rod > > > On 21/08/2015 15:45, Toby Thain wrote: > >> On 2015-08-21 10:30

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

On 08/21/2015 10:41 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: Excellent! EEC (Europe) is 70 years from the death of a known author or 70 years from publication if the author is unknown This leads to some interesting situations. Archibald Joyce wrote his "Autumn Dreams" waltz in 1908 and it has been reported t

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On 8/21/2015 10:27 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: > > And I don't know much about anything for non-DEC stuff. So while I hope > there are copies of stuff around, think some before redistributing it. > > Johnny > Some other licenses (or lack thereof) that make software readily available that I

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, et...@757.org wrote: I *DO* have friends that are interested in vintage computing but work in jobs where any copying of any software that isn't strictly allowed by law is a no-no, and they're pretty much stuck. Own a couple of computers but can't do much because it's diffi

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 08/21/2015 10:11 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: Yes OK and "very long" would be? It varies by country. In the case of the USA, 95 years from publication (for older works) Other countries employ the author's life+x years (usually 50 or 70)--live to a r

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Rod Smallwood wrote: So what is the lifetime of a software copyright ? You're going to die before it expires. Quite possibly your grand children as well. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/c

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

And... We have a new question. What would have been the first piece of copyrightable software? Rod On 21/08/2015 18:31, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 08/21/2015 10:11 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: Yes OK and "very long" would be? It varies by country. In the case of the USA, 95 years from pu

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

Excellent! EEC (Europe) is 70 years from the death of a known author or 70 years from publication if the author is unknown On 21/08/2015 18:19, tony duell wrote: If you have some equipment surely it would reasonable to have the manuals for it. How the manuals are obtained is

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On 08/21/2015 10:11 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: Yes OK and "very long" would be? It varies by country. In the case of the USA, 95 years from publication (for older works) Other countries employ the author's life+x years (usually 50 or 70)--live to a ripe old age and your copyright can run fo

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

On 2015-08-21 19:18, Paul Koning wrote: Wikipedia has a lot more detail, but from what it says, in the USA the answer is 75 years from publication, if copyright was in effect at the beginning of 1978 or if the work was created since then. I believe the USA signed the Berne convention (althoug

RE: Vintage Software Copyright

> Yes OK and "very long" would be? I am pretty sure that the original software for EDSAC would still be under copyright -tony

RE: More on manuals plus rescue

> If you have some equipment surely it would reasonable to have the > manuals for it. > How the manuals are obtained is open to debate but not if you have the > right to own them. I would agree (although doubtless lawyers wouldn't :-)). A problem, though is when a service or technical manual wa

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

Wikipedia has a lot more detail, but from what it says, in the USA the answer is 75 years from publication, if copyright was in effect at the beginning of 1978 or if the work was created since then. paul > On Aug 21, 2015, at 1:11 PM, Rod Smallwood > wrote: > > Yes OK and "very long"

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

Yes OK and "very long" would be? On 21/08/2015 18:03, Paul Koning wrote: On Aug 21, 2015, at 12:58 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote: So what is the lifetime of a software copyright ? The same as any other copyright. It depends on the country, but in general the answer is "very long". In the USA,

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

It's a balance between data being lost, and violating copyrights. I am sortof aligned with der Mouse here. If I have something that is copyrighted, I do not want to contribute to spreading it without permissions. But I also do not want it to be lost. Many times it is things which I do have legal

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

If you have some equipment surely it would reasonable to have the manuals for it. How the manuals are obtained is open to debate but not if you have the right to own them. Rod On 21/08/2015 17:00, geneb wrote: On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Evan Koblentz wrote: Years ago I needed a HP service ma

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

> On Aug 21, 2015, at 12:58 PM, Rod Smallwood > wrote: > > > So what is the lifetime of a software copyright ? The same as any other copyright. It depends on the country, but in general the answer is "very long". In the USA, recently copyrights have been extended repeatedly, in what has b

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

So what is the lifetime of a software copyright ? On 21/08/2015 17:25, Mouse wrote: There is also - to me! - a difference between something like ripping off a manual and redistributing it [and] keeping a private archive of such things, to make sure the information is not [lost] Why private?

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

>> There is also - to me! - a difference between something like ripping >> off a manual and redistributing it [and] keeping a private archive >> of such things, to make sure the information is not [lost] > Why private? More risk of loss if it isn't distributed. What Johnny said, essentially: it's

Re: Vintage Software Copyright

There is also - to me! - a difference between something like ripping off a manual and redistributing it with the "justification" of "they did it first" or "they did worse", on the one hand, or keeping a private archive of such things, to make sure the information is not actually lost for the futur

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