RE: [cctalk] Re: TOP POSTING

2015-12-11 Thread Rich Alderson
From: Liam Proven Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 10:54 AM > On 10 December 2015 at 20:42, Rich Alderson > wrote: >> From: Liam Proven >> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 8:33 AM >>> *I* never delete my emails. I have a trail back to 1994. So? >> Piker. > Um. I don't know what that means. I

Re: TOP POSTING (was: RE: Best 200 buck I have ever spent!!! Deal of a lifetime!!!

2015-12-11 Thread Liam Proven
On 11 December 2015 at 23:57, Dave Wade wrote: > In order to get buttons that let you go to the next message There's one on your keyboard. It's the big long rectangular one at the bottom. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitt

Re: IDE knowledge anyone?

2015-12-11 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 12/11/2015 05:02 PM, Oliver Lehmann wrote: Which is perfectly fine - I just want to see what is going on the drive interface + timings - to see what is going on differently from my implementation. If I've got the drive and it's working, at least I've got some x86 code that can drive it in

Re: TOP POSTING (was: RE: Best 200 buck I have ever spent!!! Deal of a lifetime!!!

2015-12-11 Thread Liam Proven
On 11 December 2015 at 23:48, Dave Wade wrote: > It does not make sense for the ply to come at the end. It's a total waste of > time having to re-read all the unnecessary crap many times just to get to a > one sentence reply. You don't. I don't. Any decent MUA suppresses this. Again, if you see

Re: TOP POSTING (was: RE: Best 200 buck I have ever spent!!! Deal of a lifetime!!!

2015-12-11 Thread Brent Hilpert
On 2015-Dec-11, at 4:43 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: >>> It's a total waste of time having to re-read all the unnecessary crap >>> many times just to get to a one sentence reply. > > IFF people were to be considerate and delete/trim/remove all of the > irrelevant parts of the quoted material, then the

Re: IDE knowledge anyone?

2015-12-11 Thread Oliver Lehmann
Chuck Guzis wrote: On 12/11/2015 04:35 PM, Oliver Lehmann wrote: Western Digital Caviar 31600 it is. I'm waiting for a 32Port-LA (might take up to a month). When it is there I'll continue debugging that issue and see what a MS-DOS does different from what I do. MS-DOS uses the native BIOS

Re: IDE knowledge anyone?

2015-12-11 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 12/11/2015 04:35 PM, Oliver Lehmann wrote: Western Digital Caviar 31600 it is. I'm waiting for a 32Port-LA (might take up to a month). When it is there I'll continue debugging that issue and see what a MS-DOS does different from what I do. MS-DOS uses the native BIOS for hard disk accesses

Re: TOP POSTING (was: RE: Best 200 buck I have ever spent!!! Deal of a lifetime!!!

2015-12-11 Thread Guy Sotomayor
> On Dec 11, 2015, at 4:43 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > >>> It's a total waste of time having to re-read all the unnecessary crap >>> many times just to get to a one sentence reply. > > IFF people were to be considerate and delete/trim/remove all of the > irrelevant parts of the quoted material, th

Re: TOP POSTING (was: RE: Best 200 buck I have ever spent!!! Deal of a lifetime!!!

2015-12-11 Thread Fred Cisin
It's a total waste of time having to re-read all the unnecessary crap many times just to get to a one sentence reply. IFF people were to be considerate and delete/trim/remove all of the irrelevant parts of the quoted material, then the placement of the reply would not matter. We are arguing o

Re: IDE knowledge anyone?

2015-12-11 Thread Oliver Lehmann
Chuck Guzis wrote: On 12/11/2015 01:26 PM, Oliver Lehmann wrote: I now tried something different. I issued a "format track command" and sent 512 bytes afterwards as described in the ata spec. The drive does not respond with an error, and when I read the sector buffer right afterwards, it con

Re: TOP POSTING (was: RE: Best 200 buck I have ever spent!!! Deal of a lifetime!!!

2015-12-11 Thread Mouse
> It's a total waste of time having to re-read all the unnecessary crap > many times just to get to a one sentence reply. That is _exactly_ why quotes should be trimmed for relevance. /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTMLmo...@rodents

Re: IDE knowledge anyone?

2015-12-11 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 12/11/2015 01:26 PM, Oliver Lehmann wrote: I now tried something different. I issued a "format track command" and sent 512 bytes afterwards as described in the ata spec. The drive does not respond with an error, and when I read the sector buffer right afterwards, it contains the exact data I

RE: TOP POSTING (was: RE: Best 200 buck I have ever spent!!! Deal of a lifetime!!!

2015-12-11 Thread Dale H. Cook
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RE: TOP POSTING

2015-12-11 Thread Dave Wade
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of wulfman > Sent: 11 December 2015 19:26 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: Re: TOP POSTING > > Thunderbird has calendars now. > Only with more plug-ins > > On

RE: TOP POSTING (was: RE: Best 200 buck I have ever spent!!! Deal of a lifetime!!!

2015-12-11 Thread Dave Wade
, Dave G4UGM > wrote: > > > > I have searched high and low for a decent e-mail client for Windows. > > All the ones I have tried suck in some way. Outlook will no longer let > > me post in-line on HTML mails. FreeBird won't look at calendars. Em is just > > a > pain. > > I don't use Windows unle

RE: TOP POSTING (was: RE: Best 200 buck I have ever spent!!! Deal of a lifetime!!!

2015-12-11 Thread Dave Wade
It does not make sense for the ply to come at the end. It's a total waste of time having to re-read all the unnecessary crap many times just to get to a one sentence reply. > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of tony duell > Sent: 10 Decembe

Re: TOP POSTING (was: RE: Best 200 buck I have ever spent!!! Deal of a lifetime!!!

2015-12-11 Thread Eric Christopherson
On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Jules Richardson < jules.richardso...@gmail.com> wrote: > I can't for the life of me get it to thread this list nicely. It works > everywhere else, and is reasonably capable, but for some posts here it > insists on starting a new thread for the same subject, or bur

Re: IDE knowledge anyone?

2015-12-11 Thread Oliver Lehmann
Oliver Lehmann wrote: Chuck Guzis wrote: On 12/11/2015 12:04 PM, Oliver Lehmann wrote: This is the question... what is the "correct data"? Would I be able to see the cyl/sector/head information I've set before in that buffer? I didn't understand what the sector buffer really is by reading

Re: HP (Agilent) SCSI BUS Preprocessor

2015-12-11 Thread Glen Slick
On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Marc Verdiell wrote: > > Oh, thanks! If I can get the inverse assembler for this one, then I can > probably create a config for the HP 10343 hardware to make it work! You may > have solved the biggest part of my problem. > > Marc Comparing between the manuals f

Re: IDE knowledge anyone?

2015-12-11 Thread Oliver Lehmann
Marc Verdiell wrote: Just going by what you write...BTW, what are you using as a reference? I've used ftp://ftp.seagate.com/acrobat/reference/111-1c.pdf a lot. Also other IDE implementations on ATMegas. Do you mind providing links to any good implementations of IDE on ATMega you know of?

Re: IDE knowledge anyone?

2015-12-11 Thread Oliver Lehmann
Chuck Guzis wrote: On 12/11/2015 12:04 PM, Oliver Lehmann wrote: This is the question... what is the "correct data"? Would I be able to see the cyl/sector/head information I've set before in that buffer? I didn't understand what the sector buffer really is by reading the docs. Well, ideall

Re: TOP POSTING (was: RE: Best 200 buck I have ever spent!!! Deal of a lifetime!!!

2015-12-11 Thread Jules Richardson
On 12/11/2015 12:56 PM, Liam Proven wrote: On 11 December 2015 at 19:47, Dave G4UGM wrote: I have searched high and low for a decent e-mail client for Windows. All the ones I have tried suck in some way. Outlook will no longer let me post in-line on HTML mails. FreeBird won't look at calendars

Re: IDE knowledge anyone?

2015-12-11 Thread Marc Verdiell
>> Just going by what you write...BTW, what are you using as a reference? > I've used ftp://ftp.seagate.com/acrobat/reference/111-1c.pdf a lot. > Also other IDE implementations on ATMegas. Do you mind providing links to any good implementations of IDE on ATMega you know of? Marc

Re: HP (Agilent) SCSI BUS Preprocessor

2015-12-11 Thread Marc Verdiell
> Which one? > > I have never found the config and IA software for the 10343B version > which attaches to a 10269C General Purpose Probe Interface. Dang. Yes. That one. > The standalone E2423A version is the same thing as the FuturePlus FS2230. > > https://web.archive.org/web/20001005102542/htt

Re: IDE knowledge anyone?

2015-12-11 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 12/11/2015 12:04 PM, Oliver Lehmann wrote: This is the question... what is the "correct data"? Would I be able to see the cyl/sector/head information I've set before in that buffer? I didn't understand what the sector buffer really is by reading the docs. Well, ideally, this contains the da

Re: TOP POSTING

2015-12-11 Thread ben
On 12/11/2015 12:25 PM, wulfman wrote: Thunderbird has calendars now. OH look, every app all wants to be windows. You update for bug fixes and look at the crap you get. Ben. BTW If you trim posts, who cares if you top post or not. PS: I also hate long sig files.

Re: IDE knowledge anyone?

2015-12-11 Thread Oliver Lehmann
Hi Chuck, Chuck Guzis wrote: If you issue a "read sector buffer" right after the LBA read sector aborts, do you get the correct data back? This is the question... what is the "correct data"? Would I be able to see the cyl/sector/head information I've set before in that buffer? I didn't und

Re: IDE knowledge anyone?

2015-12-11 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 12/11/2015 03:45 AM, Oliver Lehmann wrote: You are completely right, but the drive is selected always as this is a "one drive only" implementation. The same drive-selection-magic would otherwise also apply to the "Read Sector Buffer" command which works without any error. Hmmm, another piec

Re: TOP POSTING

2015-12-11 Thread wulfman
Thunderbird has calendars now. On 12/11/2015 11:47 AM, Dave G4UGM wrote: > >> -Original Message- >> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mouse >> Sent: 10 December 2015 01:32 >> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org >> Subject: Re: TOP POSTING (was: RE: Best 200 buck I hav

Re: TOP POSTING (was: RE: Best 200 buck I have ever spent!!! Deal of a lifetime!!!

2015-12-11 Thread Liam Proven
On 11 December 2015 at 19:47, Dave G4UGM wrote: > > I have searched high and low for a decent e-mail client for Windows. All the > ones I have tried suck in some way. Outlook will no longer let me post > in-line on HTML mails. FreeBird won't look at calendars. Em is just a pain. I don't use Windo

Re: [cctalk] Re: TOP POSTING

2015-12-11 Thread Liam Proven
On 11 December 2015 at 15:33, Kevin Anderson wrote: > I used to be an ardent bottom-poster like this list requires, but then I was > given one very good reason to switch that I believe is valid and persuasive > -- bottom posting (and even inline posting), I understand, is a very royal > pain in

Re: TOP POSTING (was: RE: Best 200 buck I have ever spent!!! Deal of a lifetime!!!

2015-12-11 Thread Josh Dersch
On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > On 10 December 2015 at 18:07, tony duell wrote: > > If your mail program doesn't let you scroll to the end of a message and > > start typing then it is fundametnally broken. It may not be convenient, > but > > that is not my problem! > > > S

Re: [cctalk] Re: TOP POSTING

2015-12-11 Thread Liam Proven
On 10 December 2015 at 20:42, Rich Alderson wrote: > From: Liam Proven > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 8:33 AM > >> On 10 December 2015 at 16:54, > wrote: >>> Bad news is Gmail never deletes your emails, ever. They remove them from >>> your view but keep it on their servers for profiling you.

Re: [cctalk] Re: TOP POSTING

2015-12-11 Thread Liam Proven
On 10 December 2015 at 18:19, Fred Cisin wrote: > Let's indulge, for a moment, in some paranoid rantings, . . . > IF Google were not so honorable and ethical, what kind of power > COULD they eventually wield with such complete knowledge of people? I'm with Scott McNeally. "You _have_ no privacy

RE: TOP POSTING (was: RE: Best 200 buck I have ever spent!!! Deal of a lifetime!!!

2015-12-11 Thread Dave G4UGM
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mouse > Sent: 10 December 2015 01:32 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: TOP POSTING (was: RE: Best 200 buck I have ever spent!!! Deal > of a lifetime!!! > > >> All the email clients I have are

Re: TOP POSTING (was: RE: Best 200 buck I have ever spent!!! Deal of a lifetime!!!

2015-12-11 Thread Liam Proven
On 10 December 2015 at 18:07, tony duell wrote: > If your mail program doesn't let you scroll to the end of a message and > start typing then it is fundametnally broken. It may not be convenient, but > that is not my problem! Strongly agree. Adrian, if your email client doesn't let you bottom-qu

RE: VAX 4000-500 PSU Overload?

2015-12-11 Thread Robert Jarratt
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Richard > Loken > Sent: 11 December 2015 16:45 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Cc: gene...@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: VAX 4000-500 PSU Overload? > > ... > > My doctor once

Re: VAX 4000-500 PSU Overload?

2015-12-11 Thread Richard Loken
On Thu, 10 Dec 2015, Jon Elson wrote: > On 12/10/2015 04:30 PM, Robert Jarratt wrote: >> My VAX4000-500 will no longer power up, with the PSU starting up and then ... > Most likely there is a failed capacitor somewhere. Look ... My doctor once said to me that all problems in the head involve te

Re: [cctalk] Re: TOP POSTING

2015-12-11 Thread j...@cimmeri.com
On 12/11/2015 9:33 AM, Kevin Anderson wrote: I used to be an ardent bottom-poster like this list requires, but then I was given one very good reason to switch that I believe is valid and persuasive -- bottom posting (and even inline posting), I understand, is a very royal pain in the arse f

Re: VAX 4000-500 PSU Overload?

2015-12-11 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Jon Elson > You should be able to safely power the machine with only a couple > boards at a time to find which one is bad. For debugging power supplies, a 'load module' (a card with only a bunch of resistors on it) is invaluable. No trying to figure out where/how to connect a

Re: 11/73 into 11/03 chassis?

2015-12-11 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Jacob Ritorto > Would you happen to have notes or references about how to do it? It's not too hard; basically, one has to wire pins BC1, BD1, BE1 and BF1 (BDAL 18-BDAL21, respectively) on all _QBUS_ slots together into a bus. So wire BC1 on slot 1 to BC1 on slot 2, slot 3, etc, et

Re: dBase IV manuals available

2015-12-11 Thread John Many Jars
On 10 December 2015 at 19:29, Kelly Leavitt wrote: > One complete Ashton Tate set, including XT keyboard template. > > A couple of Borland dBaseIV (version 1 and 2) sets. Two sets still shrink > wrapped. > > Make an offer plus postage or they're off to the recycle bin. Shipping > from New Jersey,

Re: IDE knowledge anyone?

2015-12-11 Thread Oliver Lehmann
Hi Chuck, Chuck Guzis wrote: I found the section "400 nsec delays" an interesting read, particularly the bit about reading the status register five times. http://wiki.osdev.org/ATA_PIO_Mode --Chuck You are completely right, but the drive is selected always as this is a "one drive only"