On 02/01/2018 10:25 PM, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote:
> 50-pin edge 37-pin Dsub 34-pin edge
> --- --- ---
> 1 20 GND
> 2 2 (TG43)
> 9 25
plc companies aka industrial companies do these weird things to force u to
buy their hardware and be locked in..
ge faunic had their workmaster systems for interfacing into series one six
90/ series systems ect u could get away with a 5155 or a p70 as those were
what the workmaster 1 and 2
On 2/1/2018 2:52 PM, Ali wrote:
This is true. I have the pinouts at home if anyone wants them, I can
post them when I get home from work.
Josh,
That would be great. Thanks.
-Ali
.
Here's what I have, from notes I took about 10 years ago when I built a
cable after beeping things out. T
On 02/01/2018 09:39 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> When I first got a Micropolis drive, I found "100tpi" hard to believe.
> But, interchange attempts showed that by the inner tracks, it was not
> 96tpi, and nor a multiple of 48tpi.
> My homemade developer, and my patience to keep trying weren'
I like the idea of creating an image before something could screwup what is
on the disk.
dd is your friend
-pete
On Feb 1, 2018 7:28 PM, "Tapley, Mark via cctech"
wrote:
> On Feb 1, 2018, at 2:32 PM, et...@757.org wrote:
>
> >> Is there a standard procedure for recovering lost passwords f
On Feb 1, 2018, at 7:28 PM, Tapley, Mark via cctech wrote:
>> Image the hard drive off to a raw file using a linux host with a SCSI HBA?
>>
>> Once that is done, it might be possible to run a hex editor against the hard
>> drive (one that doesn't copy the contents into RAM) and then search for
On Feb 1, 2018, at 2:32 PM, et...@757.org wrote:
>> Is there a standard procedure for recovering lost passwords for these
>> systems, or for resetting passwords? I do have physical access to the
>> machine; it’s possible I can find an AIX install disk but it’s *highly*
>> desirable to pres
On 02/01/2018 01:28 PM, Tapley, Mark via cctech wrote:
Is there a standard procedure for recovering lost passwords for these
systems, or for resetting passwords? I do have physical access to the
machine; it’s possible I can find an AIX install disk but it’s
*highly* desirable to preserve the co
All,
I’m trying to resurrect an AIX workstation that may well contain useful
information for the NASA IMAGE spacecraft.
The system is an IBM RiscSystem/6000 43P-140 according to the badge on
the front (which I think is reasonably accurate).
It’s running a version of AIX f
Doug
Unless you've got a specific reason to run OpenVMS 8.4 for an Alphaserver
1000A I'd recommend a version more in keeping with the age of the machine,
either a variant of 7.3 or something earlier.
How much memory do you have installed?
Regards, Mark.
On 1 February 2018 at 17:55, Douglas Tayl
there was 8in floppy drives still being sold in the mid 90's
On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 12:23 PM, David Schmidt via cctech <
cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On 2/1/2018 1:00 PM, Adrian Stoness wrote:> ibm had 8in floppy drives in
> their black from the times of white?
> This was dressed to go with t
This may have the answer. AIX was certainly in version 4 at that
point, so this should work.
http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg3T1000366
On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 8:28 PM, Tapley, Mark via cctech
wrote:
> All,
> I’m trying to resurrect an AIX workstation that may well contain
Is there a standard procedure for recovering lost passwords for
these systems, or for resetting passwords? I do have physical access to
the machine; it’s possible I can find an AIX install disk but it’s
*highly* desirable to preserve the contents of the existing hard drive.
Image the hard dri
On Thu, 1 Feb 2018, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
Yeah, I've got an old ABCD manual printer switch with the "centronics"
connectors that swaps all 36 lines, but it always seemed like more
trouble than it was worth, so it resides in a storage cabinet.
I use a rack-mounted PC with a couple of DC37s
Well, I think they're overpriced, but here you go:
http://www.jdr.com/product_p/bkt-d37.htm
JDR sold all of their ISA prototype boards with a DC-37 bracket also.
--Chuck
On Thu, 1 Feb 2018, Ali wrote:
I have been toying with making a bunch of brackets for odd connectors (I
haven't seen a bracket that has holes cut for DC37 for example readily
available for purchase). A friend of mine has access to an industrial laser
cutter and has told me he would be happy to cu
On 02/01/2018 07:53 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> IFF you ever decide that you need the FDADAP (TG43), then it could go
> into a tiny inline project box with a DC37M input and DC37F output.
>
> IFF you wanted to use switch boxes, as I did, you would need one DC37M
> to DC37M cable (screwed
> If it's not going to be simply spread out accross the table, then I
> would rather use DC37, not HD50 and 50 pin Blue Ribbon ("Centronics")
>
> 34 to DC37 in the PC.
> DC37 to DC37 from PC to drive case
> FDADAP inside the 8" drive case.
>
> ALL drive cabling done with connectors that are norma
On Thu, 1 Feb 2018, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
IN my case, all of my drives are terminated in DC37M connectors and my
controllers have DC37F.Half-height and 3.5" drives are housed in old
IBM 4569 boxes (we bought 50 of the things back in the day) and the 8"
and FH 5.25" have their own exte
On Thu, 1 Feb 2018, Ali via cctalk wrote:
Of course if you want to get fancy w/ the FDADP: www.ibm51xx.net ;)
If it's not going to be simply spread out accross the table, then
I would rather use DC37, not HD50 and 50 pin Blue Ribbon ("Centronics")
34 to DC37 in the PC.
DC37 to DC37 from PC to
On 02/01/2018 07:17 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
>
> If you want to get fancy, there used to be readily available DC37 on a
> bracket with short cable 34 pin header adapters, for using external
> drives on machines after 5160 (after 5160, IBM stopped including a DC37
> on the FDC card). IBM
On Thu, 1 Feb 2018, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
I guess--using crimp type DC37M connectors, it's not a big deal to go
from 50 conductor ribbon to DC 37. I've even got a couple adapter PCBs
that go from 50 pin to 34 pin headers.
Which, other than the TG43 feature, is what FDADAP is.
If you
>
> > Well, it's a lot easier than hamburgering cable together.
>
> I guess--using crimp type DC37M connectors, it's not a big deal to go
> from 50 conductor ribbon to DC 37. I've even got a couple adapter PCBs
> that go from 50 pin to 34 pin headers.
Of course if you want to get fancy w/ the
On Thu, 1 Feb 2018, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote:
I started accessing BBSs back in the early 70s with a 300 baud modem.
From there it went to 1200; 2400; 9600; 28.8K and 56Kilobaud. All on
dialup! Now at 5 Mbits/sec. here in Ontario. An American friend has
250Mb/s download. Yikes! The c
On 02/01/2018 06:09 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
> Well, it's a lot easier than hamburgering cable together.
I guess--using crimp type DC37M connectors, it's not a big deal to go
from 50 conductor ribbon to DC 37. I've even got a couple adapter PCBs
that go from 50 pin to 34 pin headers
Exactly what does a FDADP do for *reading*? Nothing that I can figure,
other than re-arrange the 50 line SA-800 interface to a 34-line SA-400
type.
"Current" versions ("since 2009") have two small 7-segment LEDs that
display current track number.
THAT might be handy sometime, although most su
On 02/01/2018 07:57 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> On 02/01/2018 03:40 PM, Terry Stewart via cctalk wrote:
>>> but dbit.com offers an adapter called an
>>> FDADAP that
>>> lets you connect a 50 pin 8" disk to the PC controller. I have a couple
>>> and they work great.
>> I second that. I'v
I'll also add the Jonathan (Glitch) has taken over the "what
motherboards can do what with floppies" list.
Interestingly, a lot of later legacy-floppy equipped motherboards do
very well with regards to supporting FM reading/writing--yes, even P4,
AM3+ and other boards. (N.B., I said "later" not "r
If it IS SA800/850, then FPADAP,
http://www.dbit.com/fdadap.html
is an easy way to handle the cabling.
The website say that they have 5 in stock,
so order immediately if you need it!
On Thu, 1 Feb 2018, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
It doesn't guarantee that you will be able to read most (b
>
>
> But, you have to tread very carefully. Because SOMETIMES [now rarely],
> they could mean the PRE-5150 definition where "IBM compatible" meant
> 3740/SSSD 8" with 128 byte sectors.
> 5150 really was a danger to itself and/or others; it totally destroyed the
> meaning ot "IBM compatible" disks
but dbit.com offers an adapter called an FDADAP that lets you connect
a 50 pin 8" disk to the PC controller. I have a couple and they work
great.
On Thu, 1 Feb 2018, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
Exactly what does a FDADP do for *reading*? Nothing that I can figure,
other than re-arrange the
DOS/Windoze will have absolutely no idea how to understand what is on the
disk.
On Fri, 2 Feb 2018, Terry Stewart wrote:
Makes me thinks of the time a few months ago when a lab on our campus
wanted me to read some 8 inch disks in the archives for them. The IT
manager said "I think they are IB
On 02/01/2018 03:40 PM, Terry Stewart via cctalk wrote:
>> but dbit.com offers an adapter called an
>> FDADAP that
>> lets you connect a 50 pin 8" disk to the PC controller. I have a couple
>> and they work great.
>
> I second that. I've got one and works just as it should.
>
> Terry (Tez)
Exa
>but dbit.com offers an adapter called an
>FDADAP that
>lets you connect a 50 pin 8" disk to the PC controller. I have a couple
>and they work great.
I second that. I've got one and works just as it should.
Terry (Tez)
On 02/01/2018 06:13 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2018, Ali via cctalk wrote:
>> Anyone know how easy it is to adapt one of these to work with an IBM
>> PC compatible class machine? I have one sitting around here somewhere
>> and if I recall correctly the drive is a bog std.
On Thu, 1 Feb 2018, Ali via cctalk wrote:
Anyone know how easy it is to adapt one of these to work with an IBM PC
compatible class machine? I have one sitting around here somewhere and
if I recall correctly the drive is a bog std. YE-DATA DS 8" drive so it
should be just a matter of making sure
>
>
> DOS/Windoze will have absolutely no idea how to understand what is on the
> disk.
>
> Makes me thinks of the time a few months ago when a lab on our campus
wanted me to read some 8 inch disks in the archives for them. The IT
manager said "I think they are IBM-compatible" (and by that he mean
> This is true. I have the pinouts at home if anyone wants them, I can
> post them when I get home from work.
Josh,
That would be great. Thanks.
-Ali
The drives that where used on the AS/400 are all "industry standard"
drives so it should be easy to adapt one to a PC.
On Thu, 1 Feb 2018, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
The drives may be standard, but I am curious how standard the format of
what's on the disk is. How likely is it that a PC OS
I started accessing BBSs back in the early 70s with a 300 baud modem.
>From there it went to 1200; 2400; 9600; 28.8K and 56Kilobaud. All on
dialup! Now at 5 Mbits/sec. here in Ontario. An American friend has
250Mb/s download. Yikes! The classic computer era taught us patience
didn’t it? BTW, one h
On 02/01/2018 01:44 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
> On 02/01/2018 02:08 PM, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote:
>> The drives that where used on the AS/400 are all "industry standard"
>> drives so it should be easy to adapt one to a PC.
>
> The drives may be standard, but I am curious how standard
On 01/02/18 18:10, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
>> Douglas Taylor via cctech wrote:
>
>> I thought I would burn these to CD and up and away. However, Windows 7
>> balks and says, 'The selected disc image file isn't valid'.
>>
>> Is it Windows 7 or is there something I'm missing? Is the CD on the
>
On 02/01/2018 02:08 PM, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote:
The drives that where used on the AS/400 are all "industry standard"
drives so it should be easy to adapt one to a PC.
The drives may be standard, but I am curious how standard the format of
what's on the disk is. How likely is it that a P
On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Paul Berger via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>
> On 2018-02-01 3:43 PM, Ali via cctalk wrote:
>
>> This was dressed to go with the AS/400 line. Mine is dated 1994.
>>>
>> Anyone know how easy it is to adapt one of these to work with an IBM PC
>> compati
On 2018-02-01 3:43 PM, Ali via cctalk wrote:
This was dressed to go with the AS/400 line. Mine is dated 1994.
Anyone know how easy it is to adapt one of these to work with an IBM PC compatible
class machine? I have one sitting around here somewhere and if I recall correctly
the drive is a b
On 31 January 2018 at 08:21, Dimitris Theodoropoulos
wrote:
> I believe that my case is identical to the original message of the list and
> 24-bit is required.
> The problematic visual (the one which is not provided by the external
> X-server) is the following (I cite an extract from xdpyinfo on t
> -Original Message-
> From: cctech [mailto:cctech-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Douglas
> Taylor via cctech
> Sent: 01 February 2018 17:56
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts
> Subject: VMS 8.4 Alpha Hobbyist disk images
>
> I'm getting an Alphaserver 1000a and wanted to inst
> This was dressed to go with the AS/400 line. Mine is dated 1994.
Anyone know how easy it is to adapt one of these to work with an IBM PC
compatible class machine? I have one sitting around here somewhere and if I
recall correctly the drive is a bog std. YE-DATA DS 8" drive so it should be
ju
On 2/1/2018 1:00 PM, Adrian Stoness wrote:> ibm had 8in floppy drives in
their black from the times of white?
This was dressed to go with the AS/400 line. Mine is dated 1994.
- David
I'm getting an Alphaserver 1000a and wanted to install VMS 8.4 -
hobbyist license from CD.
So, I went to the folder on my PC where I have the 8.4 hobbyist
distribution. There are 3 ISO files; ALPHA084, ALPHA084LP1 and ALPHA084LP2.
I thought I would burn these to CD and up and away. However,
On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Mike Norris via cctalk
wrote:
> Do you know were or how is the best place to send the scan (sorry this is my
> first post)?
First post and already bottom-posting - off to a fine start!
Please do scan the manual if you can't find an example of it online.
Email me
> On Feb 1, 2018, at 1:56 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2018, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
>> I guess they trusted the disk enough. Normal practice would be to save the
>> dayfile to a regular disk file periodically (perhaps as part of daily
>> maintenance), at which
On Thu, 1 Feb 2018, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
I guess they trusted the disk enough. Normal practice would be to save
the dayfile to a regular disk file periodically (perhaps as part of
daily maintenance), at which point you could print it, or archive it to
tape, or whatever else comes to m
> On Feb 1, 2018, at 1:01 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 10:56 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
> > On Feb 1, 2018, at 12:51 PM, Eric Smith via cctalk
> > wrote:
> > console terminal [...] VT52. (It was not good
> > practice to use a CRT as the system console, IMO.)
>
> As for CRTs,
Lars Brinkhoff wrote:
> Al Kossow wrote:
>>> SUPERFOONLY DESIGNED 1968-71
>> Was this ever built?
> This says the Superfoonly was designed. Doesn't say it was actually
> built.
Confirmed by Dave Dyer:
The original foonly design at Stanford was a paper design; I don't
think there were act
Noel Chiappa wrote:
>> It's frankensteined together from a mix of source and FASL files
> FASL? So some of the sources are apparently gone?
Right, we haven't found sources for everything in Macsyma. I'd say
we're lucky to have it running at all, and also that we have a former
Macsyma staff member
On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 10:56 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
> > On Feb 1, 2018, at 12:51 PM, Eric Smith via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> > console terminal [...] VT52. (It was not good
> > practice to use a CRT as the system console, IMO.)
>
> As for CRTs, it all depends on the design assum
Hi Eric,
>I know it sounds snarky, and admittedly my sample size is small, but it
>seems to me that it was quite _rarely_ used as a console printer in place
>of a LA36. Of the DEC machine rooms I saw back in the day (DECsystem-10,
>PDP-11, VAX-11/7xx), most used an LA36 or LA120 as the console te
> From: Lars Brinkhoff
> It's frankensteined together from a mix of source and FASL files
FASL? So some of the sources are apparently gone?
Noel
> On Feb 1, 2018, at 12:51 PM, Eric Smith via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Mike Norris via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>> The SuperTerm was manufactured by Intertec Data Systems c. 1978, it was a
>> 180 CPS dot matrix printer (RS232), quite often used as
On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Mike Norris via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> The SuperTerm was manufactured by Intertec Data Systems c. 1978, it was a
> 180 CPS dot matrix printer (RS232), quite often used as a console printer
> in place of a LA36,
I know it sounds snarky, and admit
Hi Guys,
I am new to the group, so let me know if this post is inappropriate.
I have a SuperTerm Maintenance Manual that I am about to put in the bin.
I am prepared to scan it if any one is interested, I could not find it on
bitsavers.org, but I guess there may be one in the backlog?
The Su
Does anyone have an AIM16 hardware unit made by Connecticut microComputer
company, from the late 70's? I am working through their cassette software,
a box I got years ago from their internal programming department with
versions and variations of same programs.
Bill
On 1/31/18 6:25 PM, Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote:
>
> The fourth guy was Dick Helliwell, who was hired by DEC when they licensed
> SUDS
> from SAIL. I met Dick when we both worked at XKL; he was the major part of
> the
> effort to make SUDS run on the X Window System, on the KL-10 and later
> On Feb 1, 2018, at 12:40 AM, Mark Linimon via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 07:07:23PM -0800, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
>> Back in the 70s, 4000-series CMOS was among the slowest logic around.
>
> I really wish I still had one technical magazine that came out during
> the
> From: Phil Budne
> FWIW, Found these bits
> ...
> Those bits and others can be found
Excellent archaeology! With these, and the ITS sources (for which we have both
the -10 and -11 sides), the register definitions in the early PDP-10 CPU
manual, and the prints, it should be possi
> From: Rich Alderson
> I'm going to disagree with the history Al posted, because Dick himself
> told me the story.
What was the history according to Dick, if you recall? Would he still be
available, to write it as he saw it down himself?
Noel
On Tue, 30 Jan 2018, Eric Smith wrote:
It looks like ZCPR3 was on SIG/M volumes 184 to 192, but those specific
volumes seem to be missing from the SIG/M archives I can find.
This?
www.retroarchive.org/cpm/cdrom/ZSYS/SIMTEL20/ZCPR3/
Christian
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