Re: 70's computers

On 10/23/2018 3:32 PM, Gordon Henderson via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 23 Oct 2018, ben via cctalk wrote: The PDP 11 is nice machine, but I am looking  for simpler designs where 16K words is a valid memory size for a OS and small single user software. Try the Modular One with an OS written in BCP

Re: 70's computers

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018, ben via cctalk wrote: The PDP 11 is nice machine, but I am looking for simpler designs where 16K words is a valid memory size for a OS and small single user software. Try the Modular One with an OS written in BCPL. https://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/files/3230/PRG08.pdf Although

Re: Catalog of Braegen Compter systems FOUND! Anaheim CA. lsi 11 systems and unibuss add in stuff too printer and tape and disc subsystems...

just a catalog sorry  to  disappoint       ed#   In a message dated 10/23/2018 8:06:40 PM US Mountain Standard Time, jacob.rito...@gmail.com writes:   Hi Ed,   I talked to that craigslist guy in DC.  He's saving the cdc drive for me (others welcome, too - just trying to keep it from the sk

Re: Catalog of Braegen Compter systems FOUND! Anaheim CA. lsi 11 systems and unibuss add in stuff too printer and tape and disc subsystems...

Hi Ed, I talked to that craigslist guy in DC. He's saving the cdc drive for me (others welcome, too - just trying to keep it from the skip). Are you saying you've found disk cartridges to fit it? And is this an announcement of a huge haul you've come across in Anaheim (I'll be in sfbay in a cou

Catalog of Braegen Compter systems FOUND! Anaheim CA. lsi 11 systems and unibuss add in stuff too printer and tape and disc subsystems...

resent  with corrected subj. message Catalog of Braegen  Compter systems FOUND! Anaheim CA. lsi 11 systems and unibuss add in stuff too printer and tape and disc subsystems... ANY ONE HAVE THE HARDWARE IN CAPTIVITY?.. the cdc discs look like that bold one someone posted from Craigs list the othe

Re: Aphorism (Was: Computers that never crash (Was: Microsoft-Paul Allen)

On 10/23/2018 05:09 PM, dwight via cctalk wrote: I had an Ultra Sparc machine that ran continuously for more than 5 years except for maybe 2 power outages and a couple time to vacuum it out. Oh, well, I had a homemade UVax-II system built out of grey market and 3rd party boards. I ran it for 21

Re: printer and rape and disc subsystems...

omg... opps In a message dated 10/23/2018 6:30:06 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:   someone needs to turn auto-correct off

Re: 70's computers

On 10/23/18 6:10 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: > The 10 or so PPU units. > Ben. Early SCOPE and COS also put the operating system in those, leaving the CPU for real work. But for I/O, not that much different from IBM "channels", no? --Chuck

Re:printer and rape and disc subsystems...

someone needs to turn auto-correct off

Catalog of Braegen Compter systems FOUND! Anaheim CA. lsi 11 systems and unibuss add in stuff too printer and rape and disc subsystems...

Catalog of Braegen Compter systems FOUND! Anaheim CA. lsi 11 systems and unibuss add in stuff too printer and tape and disc subsystems... ANY ONE HAVE THE HARDWARE IN CAPTIVITY?.. the cdc discs look like that bold one someone posted from Craigs list the other day... ed# www.smecc.org Sent fro

Re: 70's computers

both will run focal... but I need focal 11 on paper tape I have asked several people but have not heard if it is even available? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: PS: > Not the simplest machine to implement, mind - the -8 is a lot > simple

Re: 70's computers

On 10/23/2018 7:00 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 10/23/18 5:34 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: With NO GUI and hidden IO, you get speed. I understand what GUI is, but what's "hidden IO"? --Chuck The 10 or so PPU units. Ben.

Re: 70's computers

On 10/23/18 5:34 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: > With NO GUI and hidden IO, you get speed. I understand what GUI is, but what's "hidden IO"? --Chuck

Smalltalk (was: Desktop Metaphor)

Josh Dersch wrote on Tue, 23 Oct 2018 07:25:41 -0700 > I've never seen evidence for any Smalltalk having a desktop metaphor (as in > the discussion at hand -- icons and folders representing files and/or data, > not merely windows, etc.). It's certainly possible that the platform was > used for exp

Re: 70's computers

On 10/23/2018 6:18 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: Dunno. I'd say that the CDC 6000 seies machines had pretty good code density, and of course, ran like the wind. Instructions are 15 or 30 bits and no condition codes to preserve. Most are 3-address. And a very simple instruction set. --Chuc

Re: 70's computers

On 10/23/2018 5:57 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: PS: > Not the simplest machine to implement, mind - the -8 is a lot > simpler. As a rough measure of how much more complex, the -8/E and -11/20 are roughly contemporaneous, and built out of the same technology (SSI TTL on larger bo

Re: 70's computers

Dunno. I'd say that the CDC 6000 seies machines had pretty good code density, and of course, ran like the wind. Instructions are 15 or 30 bits and no condition codes to preserve. Most are 3-address. And a very simple instruction set. --Chuck

Re: 70's computers

On 10/23/2018 5:26 PM, Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk wrote: On Oct 23, 2018, at 4:08 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: From: Ben Bfranchuk I just can't find a clean simple design yet. ... The PDP 11 is nice machine, but I am looking for simpler designs where 16K words is a valid memory

Re: 70's computers

PS: > Not the simplest machine to implement, mind - the -8 is a lot > simpler. As a rough measure of how much more complex, the -8/E and -11/20 are roughly contemporaneous, and built out of the same technology (SSI TTL on larger boards): the -8/E CPU is 5 quad boards, and the -11/20 CPU i

Re: 70's computers

> On Oct 23, 2018, at 7:08 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk > wrote: > >> From: Ben Bfranchuk > >> I just can't find a clean simple design yet. ... >> The PDP 11 is nice machine, but I am looking for simpler designs >> where 16K words is a valid memory size for a OS and small single user >> sof

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On Oct 23, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:59 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > >> An (optional) X server (and clients) can be added to the OS (I use them >> all the time) but >> is not part of the base install ... >> > > Wrong. Apple has been using

Re: 70's computers

> On Oct 23, 2018, at 7:26 PM, Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk > wrote: > > ... > > For simplicity and reasonable density, you might want to look at J1 (which is > a Forth CPU). It has been implemented in 300 lines of Verilog and the entire > CPU + 16KB of memory fits in a reasonably sized Spar

Re: 70's computers

> On Oct 23, 2018, at 4:08 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk > wrote: > >> From: Ben Bfranchuk > >> I just can't find a clean simple design yet. ... >> The PDP 11 is nice machine, but I am looking for simpler designs >> where 16K words is a valid memory size for a OS and small single user >> sof

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

> On Oct 23, 2018, at 3:30 PM, Jim Manley via cctalk > wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 12:55 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:59 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr >> wrote: >> >>> An (optional) X server (and clients) can be added to the OS (I use them >>> all the time) but i

Re: 70's computers

> From: Ben Bfranchuk > I just can't find a clean simple design yet. ... > The PDP 11 is nice machine, but I am looking for simpler designs > where 16K words is a valid memory size for a OS and small single user > software. There was a recent discussion about code density (I

Re: Desktop Metaphor

On 10/23/18 3:29 PM, Torfinn Ingolfsen via cctalk wrote: >> FreeBSD may not have the installed base of Linux but it has a its fans. > > Yes, this workstation runs FreeBSD 10.4 and Xfce. I prefer OpenBSD myself for mission-critical stuff--the nearly paranoid attitude to new software is unusual to

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 12:55 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:59 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr > wrote: > >> An (optional) X server (and clients) can be added to the OS (I use them >> all the time) but is not part of the base install ... >> > > Apple has been using self-customized,

Re: Desktop Metaphor

On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 10:16 PM Richard Loken via cctalk wrote: > > I am replying to this email on a FreeBSD 10.3 box and Motif. I don't > know what FreeBSD runs out of the box because I immediately delete it > and install Motif. FreeBSD doesn't run *any* graphical user interface out of the box

Re: Hyperland and Doctor Who (Was: 70's computers

Later, in 2017, it [Shada] was reconstructed again, using animation for the missing scenes. That was released on DVD in UK almost a year ago. The USA release was delayed until last month, and played once on BBC America. Amazon.uk has had it available on DVD for a year; amazon.com (USA) should

Re: Aphorism (Was: Computers that never crash (Was: Microsoft-Paul Allen)

I had an Ultra Sparc machine that ran continuously for more than 5 years except for maybe 2 power outages and a couple time to vacuum it out. The only failure was one day the disk drive let out a stream of smoke. It was a tantalum capacitor. It burned the board. IT was going to give me a new dri

Hyperland and Doctor Who (Was: 70's computers

Modern computers are just to play with on the web and read mail and download DR WHO. Remember when "personal" computers were on a par with model trains for "practicality" and "usefulness". I've got the Doctor Who MP4 files on a SATA III drive plugged into a Seagate GoFlex-TV streamer. On Tue,

Re: 70's computers

On 10/23/2018 3:12 PM, Paul Koning wrote: On Oct 23, 2018, at 5:07 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: ... The PDP 11 is nice machine, but I am looking for simpler designs where 16K words is a valid memory size for a OS and small single user software. 16k words (or even 8k words) is a fine memory s

Re: 70's computers

> On Oct 23, 2018, at 5:07 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: > > ... > The PDP 11 is nice machine, but I am looking for simpler designs > where 16K words is a valid memory size for a OS and small single user > software. 16k words (or even 8k words) is a fine memory size for a single user OS on PDP

70's computers

On 10/23/2018 1:30 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 23 Oct 2018, ben via cctalk wrote: Modern computers are just to play with on the web and read mail and download DR WHO. Remember when "personal" computers were on a par with model trains for "practicality" and "usefulness". I've go

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 9:34 AM Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018, 02:36 Jim Manley wrote: > > Microsoft did offer a RAM expansion board specifically to allow the > Softcard to access 64K of RAM dedicated to CP/M, > > Even that wasn't dedicated to CP/M. It was a 16K RAM card th

Re: Selling keyboards without the terminal

Hi  Chuck!  Ah  the  frantic  keys pounding  and screaming  while  playing? Maybe   yea I poke  mine  pretty  slow...   there are  some  days  I have  trouble  making  my  fingers  type... maybe  I  type  too  slow!!?!     I  am looking at  a  site that   says   cheap  usb  ps2 adapters  are

Re: Selling keyboards without the terminal

On 10/23/18 1:09 PM, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: > dunno   what   being a  gamer  has  to  do  with it  working or not... It's always seemed to me that gamers use/abuse keyboards more than those of us who simply use them to type. Maybe that's a mistaken impression. --Chuck

Re: Selling keyboards without the terminal

dunno   what   being a  gamer  has  to  do  with it  working or not...   my  problem was it  would  just   have the keyboard  go away and  not  respond... tried  several I  had... worked on older  computers...     oh well!      Ed# In a message dated 10/19/2018 11:14:11 AM US Mountain Standard T

Re: Selling keyboards without the terminal

I like  my   xps. I  do not  make  grocery lists on it  I  edit  news  video  with it...   for  video editing faster is better and  what  I  really  want is  not  yet   fast  enough!     speaking of   video and  keyboards and computers...   I  need  an AMIGA  keyboard  to go with  the  Amiga  wi

Re: Desktop Metaphor

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018, ben via cctalk wrote: Modern computers are just to play with on the web and read mail and download DR WHO. Remember when "personal" computers were on a par with model trains for "practicality" and "usefulness". I've got the Doctor Who MP4 files on a SATA III drive plugge

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

> On Oct 23, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Jim Manley wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:59 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr > wrote: > An (optional) X server (and clients) can be added to the OS (I use them all > the time) but > is not part of the base install ... > > Wrong. Apple has

Re: Desktop Metaphor

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018, ben via cctalk wrote: Modern computers are just to play with on the web and read mail and download DR WHO. I'll jump out of my massively-multiplayer VR air combat rig long enough to remind you that you forgot to shout at a cloud and chase the kids off your lawn. :) g.

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On 10/23/18 11:41 AM, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote: On 2018-10-23 2:45 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 19:05, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 10/23/2018 10:47 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: This may be an unfortunate mismatch of English idioms. Fair. "Out

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On 2018-10-23 2:45 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 19:05, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 10/23/2018 10:47 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: This may be an unfortunate mismatch of English idioms. Fair. "Out there", to me, means "current, available/on sale/in us

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018, John Ames via cctalk wrote: Haiku says hi. Or would, if they could spare the time from trying to awkwardly kludge Linux development models into a BeOS world. Apple said, "hello" DRI GEM said, "Hi" Apple sued.

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On 10/23/18 11:12 AM, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:59 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > >> An (optional) X server (and clients) can be added to the OS (I use them >> all the time) but >> is not part of the base install ... >> > > Wrong. Jim, have you ever WORKED for A

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:59 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > An (optional) X server (and clients) can be added to the OS (I use them > all the time) but > is not part of the base install ... > Wrong. Apple has been using self-customized, optimized-for their-hardware supersets of the VNC protocol (

Re: Desktop Metaphor

On 10/23/18 10:46 AM, Rick Bensene via cctalk wrote: > I remember tinkering around with the Star, which by the time I was at the > company, had been pretty much put out to pasture. The environment was quite > intuitive, and easy to use, though it took me a little while to get my mind > wra

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

> Grant Taylor wrote: >> *Every* Unix desktop out there draws on Win95. > > Nope. That's simply not true. > > The following three vast families of window managers / desktops prove > (to my satisfaction) that your statement is wrong. > > ? Common Desktop Environment (a.k.a. CDE) and it's ilk. >

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

Excuse me, but I work for xxx and it is not EOL. Outsider EOL predictions sometimes lead to a spike in workload for the Real-Time Resume' Updater. (cf. "aerospace collapse" just under half a century ago)

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On 10/23/18 11:00 AM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: On 10/23/18 10:45 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 19:05, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 10/23/2018 10:47 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: This may be an unfortunate mismatch of English idioms. Fair. "Out t

Aphorism (Was: Computers that never crash (Was: Microsoft-Paul Allen)

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: "If it doesn't crash, you're not running a sufficiently varied and demanding workload." Are rights available for wall plaques, T-shirts, and bumper stickers?

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On 10/23/18 10:45 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 19:05, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 10/23/2018 10:47 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: This may be an unfortunate mismatch of English idioms. Fair. "Out there", to me, means "current, available/on sale/in use

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On 10/23/18 10:37 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 10/23/2018 11:19 AM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: When I bring up Solaris 11.4 in VirtualBox, I get a Gnome desktop. Ya, I think that Solaris has started using Gnome as the default desktop.  But I'm fairly sure that C.D.E. is still th

Re: Desktop Metaphor

On 23/10/2018, Geoffrey Oltmans via cctalk wrote (in part): > I’d say that Windows 95’s UI blew the doors off of anything I’d used up that > point in terms of usability. Interesting... I recall gathering around a colleague's PC many years ago. One of us noticed his screen and said "Hey, you swit

Re: Computers that never crash (Was: Microsoft-Paul Allen)

> On Oct 23, 2018, at 1:45 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > On 10/23/18 9:32 AM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > >> I have a RPi dedicated to a SIMH VAX-11/750 running BSD that I >> intended to leave up and rack up some impressive uptime. Then I was >> reminded by the local electricity

Re: Desktop Metaphor

On Tue, 10/23/18, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote: > This is my issue with a lot of Linux distros they seem to try to hard to > look and work like mac or like windows while I would rather have them > look and work like the xwindows I knew and loved.  One of my biggest > aggravations is cut and pas

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: That notwithstanding, I have to say, I still think it's ludicrous to imply that anything _before_ Win95 could have drawn upon it, even if making a negative statement. "The simplistic style is partly explained by the fact that its editors, havi

Re: Desktop Metaphor

On 10/23/2018 10:59 AM, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote: This is my issue with a lot of Linux distros they seem to try to hard to look and work like mac or like windows while I would rather have them look and work like the xwindows I knew and loved.  One of my biggest aggravations is cut and paste

RE: Desktop Metaphor

Curious Marc wrote: >Curiously, the Xerox Alto has quite advanced GUI and object oriented >programming (including the smalltalk windowing environment), >but no desktop >metaphor or icons that I have seen. I believe desktop metaphors appear later >in the Alto commercial successor, the >Xerox S

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 19:05, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > > On 10/23/2018 10:47 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > > This may be an unfortunate mismatch of English idioms. > > Fair. > > > "Out there", to me, means "current, available/on sale/in use now, in > > active use and/or maintenance".

Re: Computers that never crash (Was: Microsoft-Paul Allen)

On 10/23/18 9:32 AM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > I have a RPi dedicated to a SIMH VAX-11/750 running BSD that I > intended to leave up and rack up some impressive uptime. Then I was > reminded by the local electricity provider that this isn’t the right > place to try that. We get clear day, cal

Re: Desktop Metaphor

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 19:12, ben wrote: > > On 10/23/2018 4:33 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > > On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 21:19, ben via cctalk wrote: > > > >> Try and find a printed page size PDF > >> reader, or one a tad smaller. Reading a PDF on a KINDLE DOES NOT WORK. > > > > I suggest you look at th

Re: Desktop Metaphor

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 18:59, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote: > > This is my issue with a lot of Linux distros they seem to try to hard to > look and work like mac or like windows while I would rather have them > look and work like the xwindows I knew and loved. One of my biggest > aggravations is

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On 10/23/2018 11:19 AM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: When I bring up Solaris 11.4 in VirtualBox, I get a Gnome desktop. Ya, I think that Solaris has started using Gnome as the default desktop. But I'm fairly sure that C.D.E. is still there and a menu choice away at login time. -- Grant.

Re: Desktop Metaphor

On 10/23/2018 6:02 AM, Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote: I have a 15" 2880 by 1800 display on my laptop, which has a pretty good PDF reader which will show two pages side-by-side. The resolution is high enough that it's as good as reading off paper, albeit scaled down to about 70% because the scre

High res e-readers - was Re: Desktop Metaphor

On 2018-10-23 2:12 p.m., ben via cctalk wrote: > On 10/23/2018 4:33 AM, Liam Proven wrote: >> On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 21:19, ben via cctalk >> wrote: >> >>> Try and find a printed page size PDF >>> reader, or one a tad smaller. Reading a PDF on a KINDLE DOES NOT WORK. >> >> I suggest you look at th

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

Even though Oracle only sells server hardware running Solaris, there are customers running Solaris on laptops and other systems with graphic consoles. When I bring up Solaris 11.4 in VirtualBox, I get a Gnome desktop. (I work on USB and boot, so I don't pay much attention to the desktop and cou

Re: Desktop Metaphor

On 10/23/2018 4:33 AM, Liam Proven wrote: On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 21:19, ben via cctalk wrote: Try and find a printed page size PDF reader, or one a tad smaller. Reading a PDF on a KINDLE DOES NOT WORK. I suggest you look at the Kindle DX. I bought one. I got it 2nd hand, from the USA, via e

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

AIX probably still has them but graphic consoles are pretty rare now most AIX boxes are used as servers these days. Paul. On 2018-10-23 2:05 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 10/23/2018 10:47 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: This may be an unfortunate mismatch of English idioms. Fair.

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On 10/23/2018 10:47 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: This may be an unfortunate mismatch of English idioms. Fair. "Out there", to me, means "current, available/on sale/in use now, in active use and/or maintenance". I'm fairly sure that Solaris and AIX both continue to ship C.D.E. ;-) Th

Re: Desktop Metaphor

This is my issue with a lot of Linux distros they seem to try to hard to look and work like mac or like windows while I would rather have them look and work like the xwindows I knew and loved.  One of my biggest aggravations is cut and paste I would very much rather it worked more like it used

Re: Desktop Metaphor

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 17:58, Jon Elson wrote: > ARRGhhh! I HATE Unity! I have switched all my Ubuntu > systems to gnome-classic, which suits me fine. > (You have to hack the theme xml file to make the borders > wide enough to grab and stretch.) > I lasted about 4 hours with Unity. I am a spat

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 17:49, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > > On 10/23/2018 04:41 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > > It's pointless to compare environments from _before_ Win95 as a way of > > saying that Win95 didn't influence them! > > Your statement that I replied to is: > > *Every* Unix desktop

Re: Desktop Metaphor

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: How many graphical Unix desktops are sold or distributed in the world today that are not Linux? Excluding Mac OS X as I specifically address that point, I think. I am replying to this email on a FreeBSD 10.3 box and Motif. I don't know what F

Computers that never crash (Was: Microsoft-Paul Allen)

> On Oct 23, 2018, at 8:48 AM, Jon Elson via cctalk > wrote: > > On 10/22/2018 08:33 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: You've discovered some computer that doesn't ever crash? >> On Mon, 22 Oct 2018, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: >>> Hmmm, well, my home desktop has been up 478 days, my web

Re: Desktop Metaphor

On 10/23/2018 06:13 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: My personal favourite in recent years was Ubuntu's Unity, which is a better Mac OS X than Mac OS X (IMHO). ARRGhhh! I HATE Unity! I have switched all my Ubuntu systems to gnome-classic, which suits me fine. (You have to hack the theme xml f

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On 10/23/2018 04:41 AM, Liam Proven wrote: It's pointless to compare environments from _before_ Win95 as a way of saying that Win95 didn't influence them! Your statement that I replied to is: *Every* Unix desktop out there draws on Win95. That "every" includes desktops before Windows 95.

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On 10/22/2018 08:33 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: You've discovered some computer that doesn't ever crash? On Mon, 22 Oct 2018, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: Hmmm, well, my home desktop has been up 478 days, my web server has been up 232 days, and my Asterisk phone system has been up for 571

Re: Advice needed: Entry point into things PDP-8

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 10:39 PM Carlos E Murillo-Sanchez via cctalk wrote: > you. The thing > is, I would like to have something pdp8-ish that would allow me to play > a little bit > with the programming languages that were available for these machines, > FORTRAN 4K and > FORTRAN IV in particula

Re: Advice needed: Entry point into things PDP-8

On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 8:11 AM systems_glitch via cctalk wrote: > > There's also our Ohio Scientific 560Z "Processor Lab" reproduction: > > http://www.glitchwrks.com/2017/02/26/osi-560z-build That's fun. For a long time now, I've wanted to noodle around on a Challenger 3. We had a family friend

Re: Desktop Metaphor

On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 7:14 AM Mark Green via cctalk wrote: > I worked on the early Smalltalk systems, mainly variations of Smalltalk > 76. They were there. It was the motivation for my MSc thesis which explored > concurrent message passing for UI implementation including a demo of a > system ba

Re: Desktop Metaphor

I worked on the early Smalltalk systems, mainly variations of Smalltalk 76. They were there. It was the motivation for my MSc thesis which explored concurrent message passing for UI implementation including a demo of a system based on the desktop metaphor. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 23, 201

Peripherals and Interfacing handbook pdp-11

Up for grabs free for postage, 1971 version. -- - d...@freebsd.org d...@db.net http://artemis.db.net/~db

Re: Advice needed: Entry point into things PDP-8

There's also our Ohio Scientific 560Z "Processor Lab" reproduction: http://www.glitchwrks.com/2017/02/26/osi-560z-build It uses the Intersil IM6100 and executes PDP-8 code. Memory management is implemented in handlers written in 6502 assembly on the host system, so you can have whatever memory ma

Re: Desktop Metaphor

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 01:19:37PM -0600, ben via cctalk wrote: [...] > That may be true but DOS/WINDOWS and APPLE II all had TV display output > formats, now it is WIDE SCREEN ONLY. From what little I have seen about the > Alto, you had a full sized 8x10? page format. The printed page DOES matter

Re: Desktop Metaphor

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 13:11, Geoffrey Oltmans wrote: > > I’ll throw in my two cents to say that I’ve used a fair number of GUIs over > the years both commercially available and FOSS, and I’d say that Windows 95’s > UI blew the doors off of anything I’d used up that point in terms of > usabilit

RE: Desktop Metaphor

I’ll throw in my two cents to say that I’ve used a fair number of GUIs over the years both commercially available and FOSS, and I’d say that Windows 95’s UI blew the doors off of anything I’d used up that point in terms of usability. Nobody IMO can fairly compare it with the previously available

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 23:41, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: > > This reference to "object-oriented" is way off, conflating GUI "objects" > and true object-oriented software. Yep. Welcome to the wonderful world of marketing. :-( > U ... no. You're apparently completely uninformed about MIT P

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 22:54, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > > On 10/22/2018 08:14 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > > *Every* Unix desktop out there draws on Win95. > > Nope. That's simply not true. > > The following three vast families of window managers / desktops prove > (to my satisfacti

Re: Desktop Metaphor

On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 22:56, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > > It's perfectly possible to use GUIs without any icons. > > It's possible to use GUIs without a mouse. > > The GUI is not responsible for what people do with them / the mouse. Exactly so. Oberon is a good example of a GUI with no ic

Re: Desktop Metaphor

On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 21:19, ben via cctalk wrote: > Try and find a printed page size PDF > reader, or one a tad smaller. Reading a PDF on a KINDLE DOES NOT WORK. I suggest you look at the Kindle DX. I bought one. I got it 2nd hand, from the USA, via eBay. https://www.amazon.com/Kindle-DX-Wir

Re: Desktop Metaphor

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 03:40, Curious Marc via cctalk wrote: > > As they used to say, Windows95 = Mac 1984. Which is pushing it a bit but has > some truth in it... Maybe Mac 1990. Curiously, the Xerox Alto has quite > advanced GUI and object oriented programming (including the smalltalk > windo

Re: Desktop Metaphor

On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 18:58, Rick Bensene via cctalk wrote: > > Liam Proven wrote: > > > >On the one hand, the cosmetics. *Every* Unix desktop out there draws > >on Win95. > > I take exception to the "*Every*" in Liam's statement above. I think you are missing my point so far that you're lookin