[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-07 Thread Jonathan Chapman via cctalk
> First, in general, there are so many apparent reviews of so many products, it > is hard to believe they are all scams. How can there be enough fools to buy > enough of those products to have that many different ones? I see you're new to the intersection of the audiophile world and online selli

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-07 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 10:20 AM Jonathan Chapman via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > First, in general, there are so many apparent reviews of so many > products, it is hard to believe they are all scams. How can there be enough > fools to buy enough of those products to have that many d

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-07 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
The thing that many audiophiles fail to grasp is that there's a difference between listening and hearing. The fact is that I'm just as content listening to a recording of an old scratchy 78 with, say, Albert Schweitzer (yes, that guy) playing Bach on organ as the latest wunderkind flogging at the

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-07 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On May 7, 2024, at 1:15 PM, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk > wrote: > > my ears would never be good enough to notice any difference > > For what it's worth: > > First, in general, there are so many apparent reviews of so many products, it > is hard to believe they are all scams. How can the

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-07 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 10:51 AM Chuck Guzis via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > The thing that many audiophiles fail to grasp is that there's a > difference between listening and hearing. The fact is that I'm just as > content listening to a recording of an old scratchy 78 with, say, Alb

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-07 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
How difficult is it to measure and compare "With/Without" signals? Even if the signals are not identical when "grabbed twice", it should be possible to statistically evaluate and compare how clean the signals are. . . . and therefore, to what extent the "improvement" is a placebo effect. And/

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-07 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/7/24 15:21, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > How difficult is it to measure and compare "With/Without" signals? > If you peruse the old Bob Pease articles on "Electronic Design" magazine, I believe more than once, he alluded to a proposed "blind test"--two boxes; one filled with the latest aud

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-07 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-05-07 5:51 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 5/7/24 15:21, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: How difficult is it to measure and compare "With/Without" signals? If you peruse the old Bob Pease articles on "Electronic Design" magazine, I believe more than once, he alluded to a proposed

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-07 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 12:51 AM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > On 5/7/24 15:21, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > How difficult is it to measure and compare "With/Without" signals? > > > > If you peruse the old Bob Pease articles on "Electronic Design" > magazine, I believe more than once, he al

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-07 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-05-07 9:53 p.m., Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: Anyway, some of their engineers were setting up for an exhibition/demonstration when they realised they'd forgotten to bring any speaker cable. No problem, one of them goes to the local 'DIY Shed' (large hardware store) and buys some normal m

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-07 Thread Johan Helsingius via cctalk
On 08/05/2024 05:53, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: [1] Apparently there's a slogan on the wall of the QUAD workshop 'Ohm's Law rules here. Oxygen-free cable is not required' That would have been back when Quad was run by Peter J. Walker who was a no-nonsense engineer. Unfortunately the company i

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-08 Thread John Maxwell via cctalk
day, 8 May, 2024 02:13 To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Cc: Johan Helsingius Subject: [cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks] On 08/05/2024 05:53, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: > [1] Apparently there's a slogan on the wall of the QUAD workshop

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-08 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/8/24 11:54, John Maxwell via cctalk wrote: > I recall an ad for a 'double-helix, special' 6-foot power cord going for $500 > (or more) claiming that it would make your main power amplifier sound better > with better mains power - that's about the time I started calling them > "audio-fools"

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-08 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
also, what some hinted at is the issue is even a very slight amount of magnitsm, spinning very fast, could affect the signal in the playback head How many Gauss would you get from vinyl, spinning at 33.3, 45, or 78 RPM? 'course, if the "demagnetizing" also included a wipe with a lint free

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-08 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 2:18 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 5/8/24 11:54, John Maxwell via cctalk wrote: > > I recall an ad for a 'double-helix, special' 6-foot power cord going for > $500 (or more) claiming that it would make your main power amplifier sound > better with better mains power

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-08 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
More here: https://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0114/audiophile_ac_outlets.htm If I knew that this stuff wasn't real, I'd figure that it was an April Fool's prank. On Wed, 8 May 2024, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: Why stop there? A truly dedicated audiophile would run new pure

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-09 Thread Alexander Schreiber via cctalk
On Tue, May 07, 2024 at 12:15:47PM -0500, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote: > my ears would never be good enough to notice any difference > > For what it's worth: > > First, in general, there are so many apparent reviews of so many products, it > is hard to believe they are all scams. How can th

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-09 Thread Alexander Schreiber via cctalk
On Wed, May 08, 2024 at 08:13:20AM +0200, Johan Helsingius via cctalk wrote: > On 08/05/2024 05:53, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: > > [1] Apparently there's a slogan on the wall of the QUAD workshop > > 'Ohm's Law rules here. Oxygen-free cable is not required' > > That would have been back when Qua

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-09 Thread Alexander Schreiber via cctalk
On Wed, May 08, 2024 at 07:09:58PM -0700, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > More here: > > > https://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0114/audiophile_ac_outlets.htm > > > If I knew that this stuff wasn't real, I'd figure that it was an April > > > Fool's prank. > > On Wed, 8 May 2024, Sella

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-09 Thread Antonio Carlini via cctalk
On 09/05/2024 14:28, Alexander Schreiber via cctalk wrote: German snake oil wizards to the rescue! The "Atomstromfilter" (nuclear power filter) joke product has been making the rounds in Germany for at _least_ 20+y now:https://traumshop.net/produkt/atomstromfilter/ It claims to filter power gene

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-09 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk
This is an article on it but I still think it's total bunk: https://www.gcaudio.com/tips-tricks/cd-dvd-demagnetization/ On 5/9/2024 9:04 AM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: On 09/05/2024 14:28, Alexander Schreiber via cctalk wrote: German snake oil wizards to the rescue! The "Atomstromfilter

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-09 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 8:53 AM Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: > This is an article on it but I still think it's total bunk: > > https://www.gcaudio.com/tips-tricks/cd-dvd-demagnetization/ "There is now research to suggest that demagnetization of computer discs (including CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, DVD,

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-09 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On May 9, 2024, at 9:28 AM, Alexander Schreiber via cctalk > wrote: > > On Wed, May 08, 2024 at 07:09:58PM -0700, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: >>> More here: https://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0114/audiophile_ac_outlets.htm If I knew that this stuff wasn't real, I'd

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-09 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
German snake oil wizards to the rescue! The "Atomstromfilter" (nuclear power filter) joke product has been making the rounds in Germany for at _least_ 20+y now: https://traumshop.net/produkt/atomstromfilter/ It claims to filter power generated by nuclear power plants out of your power flow at the

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-09 Thread Mike Stein via cctalk
How much extra to turn my deadly lead pipes into gold while you're here? On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 12:43 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 8:53 AM Mike Katz via cctalk > > wrote: > > > This is an article on it but I still think it's total bunk: >

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-09 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Thu, 9 May 2024, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote: How much extra to turn my deadly lead pipes into gold while you're here? Alchemist servicess are kinda expensive. Could you get away with just gold plating them?