Re: ASM, Clancy & Harvey, and Agile (Re: vintage computers in active use)

2016-05-27 Thread Swift Griggs
On Fri, 27 May 2016, Fred Cisin wrote: > Ah, but the Crazy Cranky C Curmudgeons Classic Computer Talk list is a > subset of cctalk. But, there was a big crash a while back, and > separation of the lists hasn't been completely successful. Yes, quite correct and the tagline for the list is:

Re: ASM, Clancy & Harvey, and Agile (Re: vintage computers in active use)

2016-05-27 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 27 May 2016, Josh Dersch wrote: Oh, I see what's going on. See, this is the "cctalk" (Classic Computing Talk) mailing list. I think what you're meaning to send this to is the "ccctalk" (Cranky C Curmudgeons Talk) mailing list. Could we maybe talk about classic computing rather than go

Re: ASM, Clancy & Harvey, and Agile (Re: vintage computers in active use)

2016-05-27 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 27 May 2016, Paul Koning wrote: ["Demystification"] Those first two titles sound reasonable. The third sounds strangely touchy-feely rather than like an engineering course. A touchy-feely nickname applied by those who personally wouldn't have anything to do with it. They had a

Re: ASM, Clancy & Harvey, and Agile (Re: vintage computers in active use)

2016-05-27 Thread Paul Koning
> On May 27, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > > ... > Anyway, back to, . . . > Clancy and Harvey reworked the UC undergraduate lower division (first two > years) curriculum. They setup a three course sequence at the core, > consisting of "Abstraction", "Data

Re: ASM, Clancy & Harvey, and Agile (Re: vintage computers in active use)

2016-05-27 Thread Fred Cisin
> I had words with Clancy and Harvey. While need may be diminshed, > there is never a complete elimination of the need to pay attention to, > and optimize near, the level of hardware. [top posted, with Swift's remarks below] The Clancy and Harvey topic is about curriculum, and teaching of

Re: ASM, Clancy & Harvey, and Agile (Re: vintage computers in active use)

2016-05-27 Thread Toby Thain
On 2016-05-27 12:54 PM, Josh Dersch wrote: On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 7:59 AM, Swift Griggs wrote: On Thu, 26 May 2016, Fred Cisin wrote: ... I'm not saying the state of the art can't be improved. I only assert that there are some strategies for doing so that seem flawed

Re: ASM, Clancy & Harvey, and Agile (Re: vintage computers in active use)

2016-05-27 Thread jwsmobile
On 5/27/2016 9:08 AM, Swift Griggs wrote: While I don't formally do agile, what I do do is in line with many of >the principles behind agile - things like "release early, release >often", short iterations, and constant customer involvement. I can appreciate some of the elements, also. It's

Re: ASM, Clancy & Harvey, and Agile (Re: vintage computers in active use)

2016-05-27 Thread Swift Griggs
On Fri, 27 May 2016, Mouse wrote: > Agile and XP are less about programming productivity in isolation and > more about customer interfacing - and therefore productivity in terms of > producing happy customers Well, as you suspected, I wasn't really thinking about that. That's the convenience

Re: ASM, Clancy & Harvey, and Agile (Re: vintage computers in active use)

2016-05-27 Thread Mouse
> I've worked under Agile and XP regimes and I hate both with a > passion. They were both a *huge* productivity drag (ever actually > tried "pair programming"?) Yes. I've done agile and XP and even a little pair programming. And...I agree and I disagree. If you have a small project, something

ASM, Clancy & Harvey, and Agile (Re: vintage computers in active use)

2016-05-27 Thread Swift Griggs
On Thu, 26 May 2016, Fred Cisin wrote: > I had words with Clancy and Harvey. While need may be diminshed, there > is never a complete elimination of the need to pay attention to, and > optimize near, the level of hardware. I'm going to loudly agree here. While I find assembly coding somewhat