Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-26 Thread Sean Caron
I began my first job ever working at a computer repair shop not soon after those drives first hit the market and I recall them being pretty dodgy. I replaced many Bigfoot drives when I was in high school! They were also dog slow ... 3600 RPM, I think ... The quality got better as time went on, if

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-26 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Sean Caron > the worst thing on the market since the old Quantum Bigfoot Just out of curiousity, what was so bad about the Bigfoot? Noel

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-25 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 09/25/2015 07:04 PM, Mark Linimon wrote: On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 06:55:02PM -0400, Sean Caron wrote: since the old Quantum Bigfoot There's no need to swear :-) I know it's strange, but I still have a couple of systems that occasionally get used for some legacy bit of hardware or another

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-25 Thread Mark Linimon
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 06:55:02PM -0400, Sean Caron wrote: > since the old Quantum Bigfoot There's no need to swear :-) mcl

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-25 Thread Sean Caron
Er, sorry, HDAs, not HBAs :O Best, Sean On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 6:55 PM, Sean Caron wrote: > The WDC REs are not bad drives at all but IMO Hitachi Ultrastar is the > best line going right now. I have been working with them for some time from > 0.5T through 3T under very high duty cycle and the

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-25 Thread Sean Caron
The WDC REs are not bad drives at all but IMO Hitachi Ultrastar is the best line going right now. I have been working with them for some time from 0.5T through 3T under very high duty cycle and they are fairly bulletproof. The REs will do the work, but I have seen higher failure rates on them right

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-25 Thread Alexander Schreiber
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 06:31:46PM -0600, ben wrote: > On 9/24/2015 6:16 PM, Al Kossow wrote: > > >Word on the street is stay away from WD for the near future. They've had > >massive > >QC problems. > > > I wonder what is happening in the clouds? They pay very close attention and are _very_ picky

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-25 Thread Alexander Schreiber
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 11:33:59PM -0700, Chuck Guzis wrote: > On 09/24/2015 04:30 PM, Alexander Schreiber wrote: > > >IMHO, you want to buy at one generation below the current max > >capacity on the assumption that they ironed out the bugs on that > >one. > > So, if you were to move up from the

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-25 Thread geneb
On Thu, 24 Sep 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 09/24/2015 04:30 PM, Alexander Schreiber wrote: IMHO, you want to buy at one generation below the current max capacity on the assumption that they ironed out the bugs on that one. So, if you were to move up from the 500GB SATA drives to the "next g

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-24 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 09/24/2015 04:30 PM, Alexander Schreiber wrote: IMHO, you want to buy at one generation below the current max capacity on the assumption that they ironed out the bugs on that one. So, if you were to move up from the 500GB SATA drives to the "next generation", which would you choose? --Ch

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-24 Thread Al Kossow
On 9/24/15 5:45 PM, Al Kossow wrote: Backblaze is the closest you will ever hear a peep from, any they are teeny beany in terms of buying drives. Thinking about it, Jason/IA could say something wrt drive reliability. They are running similar chassis to us (24/36 drive Supermicros) just a LO

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-24 Thread Al Kossow
On 9/24/15 5:31 PM, ben wrote: I wonder what is happening in the clouds? Mere mortals will never know. Backblaze is the closest you will ever hear a peep from, any they are teeny beany in terms of buying drives.

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-24 Thread ben
On 9/24/2015 6:16 PM, Al Kossow wrote: Word on the street is stay away from WD for the near future. They've had massive QC problems. I wonder what is happening in the clouds? Ben.

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-24 Thread Al Kossow
On 9/24/15 4:30 PM, Alexander Schreiber wrote: Google for the Blackblaze reports. Backblaze

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-24 Thread Al Kossow
Up until now, I've confined my purchasing to 500GB drives on the hope that they're more reliable than the 3-5TB monsters. Is this a mistake? 1tb was the transition to vertical recording. They had the tech down by 2tb. Seagate 1 and 1.5s are utter crap. I had a dozen 1.5s that NEVER worked.

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-24 Thread Alexander Schreiber
On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 01:02:03PM -0700, Chuck Guzis wrote: > On 09/15/2015 12:32 PM, et...@757.org wrote: > >>Pictures and movies can be original work - perhaps not for you, > >>certainly mostly not for me (I have a few original pictures, but > >>only a few), but I know graphic designers and phot

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-24 Thread Alexander Schreiber
On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 03:32:27PM -0400, et...@757.org wrote: > >Pictures and movies can be original work - perhaps not for you, > >certainly mostly not for me (I have a few original pictures, but only a > >few), but I know graphic designers and photographers who have probably > >produced at least

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-24 Thread Alexander Schreiber
On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 03:19:27PM -0400, Mouse wrote: > > I think a more important issue in backing up is "How many GENERATIONS > > to you keep around?" > > For many purposes, that's an important consideration, yes. There's > something (small) I back up weekly for which I keep the most recent >

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-23 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-09-24 01:15, Antonio Carlini wrote: On 21/09/15 14:15, Noel Chiappa wrote: > From: tony duell > In some cases it should be possible to write a machine code program > that executes on 2 processors with wildly different instruciton sets. I have this bit set that I was told

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-23 Thread Antonio Carlini
On 21/09/15 01:55, Jerome H. Fine wrote: I used the above example when I created a CD which had files to be used with RT-11 in addition to being a normal CD under Windows. I found that for a normal CD under Windows, sectors 0 to 15 (hard disk blocks 0 to 63) on the CD were empty. I don't know

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-23 Thread Antonio Carlini
On 21/09/15 14:15, Noel Chiappa wrote: > From: tony duell > In some cases it should be possible to write a machine code program > that executes on 2 processors with wildly different instruciton sets. I have this bit set that I was told (or something, the memory is _very_ vague) t

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-21 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-09-21 23:32, David Brownlee wrote: On 21 September 2015 at 01:55, Jerome H. Fine wrote: Fred Cisin wrote: On Sun, 20 Sep 2015, Jon Elson wrote: Well, one would assume this is also OS specific. I would guess it would be incredibly hard to make a "disk" virus that would work on grea

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-21 Thread David Brownlee
On 21 September 2015 at 01:55, Jerome H. Fine wrote: >>Fred Cisin wrote: > >> On Sun, 20 Sep 2015, Jon Elson wrote: >> >>> Well, one would assume this is also OS specific. I would guess it would >>> be incredibly hard to make a "disk" virus that would work on greatly >>> differing OS's like Linux

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-21 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-09-21 15:15, Noel Chiappa wrote: > From: tony duell > In some cases it should be possible to write a machine code program > that executes on 2 processors with wildly different instruciton sets. I have this bit set that I was told (or something, the memory is _very_ vague)

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-21 Thread Paul Koning
> On Sep 20, 2015, at 8:55 PM, Jerome H. Fine wrote: > >> ... > > I used the above example when I created a CD which had files to be used > with RT-11 in addition to being a normal CD under Windows. I found that > for a normal CD under Windows, sectors 0 to 15 (hard disk blocks 0 to 63) > on t

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-21 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 09:15:13AM -0400, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: tony duell > > > In some cases it should be possible to write a machine code program > > that executes on 2 processors with wildly different instruciton sets. > > I have this bit set that I was told (or something,

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-20 Thread Jerome H. Fine
>Fred Cisin wrote: On Sun, 20 Sep 2015, Jon Elson wrote: Well, one would assume this is also OS specific. I would guess it would be incredibly hard to make a "disk" virus that would work on greatly differing OS's like Linux AND Windows. No telling what would happen if one of these disk vir

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-20 Thread Mouse
>> I would guess it would be incredibly hard to make a "disk" virus >> that would work on greatly differing OS's like Linux AND Windows. This is actually a good reason to encrypt your whole disk. The disk can't serve up working malware if the bits it returns get mangled by decryption with an unkn

RE: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-20 Thread tony duell
> It is possible to create an executable file that identifies the OS that it > is running on and does a conditional jump to different code, assuming that > the processor uses the same instruction set. In some cases it should be possible to write a machine code program that executes on 2 processo

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-20 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sun, 20 Sep 2015, Jon Elson wrote: Well, one would assume this is also OS specific. I would guess it would be incredibly hard to make a "disk" virus that would work on greatly differing OS's like Linux AND Windows. No telling what would happen if one of these disk viruses got onto a hard d

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-20 Thread ben
On 9/20/2015 11:53 AM, Jon Elson wrote: On 09/19/2015 10:58 PM, John Foust wrote: The other recent development that makes me want to quit? Someone's demonstrated you can hide in the firmware of hard drives. https://blog.kaspersky.com/equation-hdd-malware/7623/ - John Well, one would assume this

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-20 Thread Jon Elson
On 09/19/2015 10:58 PM, John Foust wrote: The other recent development that makes me want to quit? Someone's demonstrated you can hide in the firmware of hard drives. https://blog.kaspersky.com/equation-hdd-malware/7623/ - John Well, one would assume this is also OS specific. I would guess i

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-20 Thread John Foust
At 05:57 AM 9/20/2015, Liam Proven wrote: >On 20 September 2015 at 05:58, John Foust wrote: >> Someone's demonstrated you can hide in the firmware of hard drives. > >And access the hypervisor layer of an OS in various ways from programs >executing inside a VM. Yeah, that too. The easy recombinat

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-20 Thread Liam Proven
On 20 September 2015 at 05:58, John Foust wrote: > Someone's demonstrated you can hide in the firmware of hard drives. And access the hypervisor layer of an OS in various ways from programs executing inside a VM. So, for instance, much malware self-inactivates if it detects that it's running ins

re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-19 Thread John Foust
At 09:55 AM 9/18/2015, Fred Cisin wrote: >CryptoLocker has been around for a year. I don't think that McAfee nor AVG >see it. "Well, it's not a VIRUS, . . ." Yes and no. The bad guys work very hard to evade detection. They're always developing new wrappers to deliver the old payloads. The o

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-18 Thread Liam Proven
On 18 September 2015 at 19:10, Dave G4UGM wrote: > But you do use a browser and all of those have holes... True, but they do on any OS. There are far fewer 'sploits for OS X or for Linux than for Windows (e.g. the famed WMF decoder one) -- andf by avoiding IE or anything that embeds or wraps

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-18 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 09/18/2015 09:49 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: On Fri, 18 Sep 2015, Liam Proven wrote: However, Cryptolocker et al spread by fooling users into running something they shouldn't run. I'm sorry, but you got suckered. Absolutely. I now think that it was a "We're Adobe, click here to update Flash Playe

RE: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-18 Thread Dave G4UGM
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Liam > Proven > Sent: 18 September 2015 17:47 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?] > > On 18 Septembe

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-18 Thread Liam Proven
On 18 September 2015 at 18:49, Fred Cisin wrote: > Absolutely. > I now think that it was a "We're Adobe, click here to update Flash Player" > or maybe "Java update" I can see how one of those, done well, might fool most of us. I am not one of those daredevil ascetics who runs Windows without anti

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-18 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 18 Sep 2015, Liam Proven wrote: However, Cryptolocker et al spread by fooling users into running something they shouldn't run. I'm sorry, but you got suckered. Absolutely. I now think that it was a "We're Adobe, click here to update Flash Player" or maybe "Java update" But, I never got

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-18 Thread Liam Proven
On 18 September 2015 at 18:25, Dave G4UGM wrote: > Are you 100 % sure you don't need anti-malware... > > http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/08/05/apple-to-patch-actively-exploited-privilege-escalation-bug-in-os-x-10105---report > > from what I have seen the fix from Apple isn't a fix... > > http:

RE: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-18 Thread Dave G4UGM
Of Liam > Proven > Sent: 18 September 2015 17:17 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?] > > On 18 September 2015 at 16:55, Fred Cisin wrote: > > CryptoLocker has been around for a year. I don't think

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-18 Thread Liam Proven
On 18 September 2015 at 16:55, Fred Cisin wrote: > CryptoLocker has been around for a year. I don't think that McAfee nor AVG > see it. "Well, it's not a VIRUS, . . ." Former AVG employee here. I quit; this is not an official statement. CryptoLocker/CryptoWall/etc are *not* a single program.

re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-18 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 18 Sep 2015, John Foust wrote: As to why your antivirus didn't see it... there's always a few days before the latest infection mechanisms are documented and added to the AV updates. CryptoLocker has been around for a year. I don't think that McAfee nor AVG see it. "Well, it's not a V

re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-18 Thread John Foust
At 01:01 PM 9/16/2015, Fred Cisin wrote: >But, those still require a gullibility error on the part of the user, don't >they? Do the ads actually load and run the ransomware, or just present the >fraudulent upgrade offer to bring it in? The bad guys are slipping silent-install vulnerability expl

Re: Ransomware [was Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]]

2015-09-16 Thread Mouse
>> Thus, defense in depth: >> [...] >> (3) Test-restore from your backups periodically. > As for (3), I don't understand how a test-restore would help. The theory is, if the restore restores good contents then the backup contains good contents. > Even if the files have been encrypted, I don't un

Re: Ransomware [was Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]]

2015-09-16 Thread Jerome H. Fine
>Mouse wrote: There is a ramsomware variant that encrypts the files but silently decrypts $ This depends on the backup-taking accessing the files in a way that doesn't trip the decryption. It also depends on nobody test-restoring from the backups, or at least not sanity-checking the resu

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-16 Thread couryhouse
/2015 11:54 AM (GMT-07:00) To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Subject: Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?] On 09/16/2015 11:20 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > On 9/16/15 11:15 AM, couryhouse wrote: > >> We have 10 years of backups.ed# >> > ever verified

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-16 Thread couryhouse
worry  about but also the news service stuff we do.Ed# www.smecc.orgSent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Al Kossow Date: 09/16/2015 11:20 AM (GMT-07:00) To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?] On 9/16

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-16 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 09/16/2015 11:20 AM, Al Kossow wrote: On 9/16/15 11:15 AM, couryhouse wrote: We have 10 years of backups.ed# ever verified them? Mine go back to sometime around 1980. I have customer records that go back to 1987. Curiously, we got a note from a fellow needing an update to CopyQM. He

Ransomware [was Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]]

2015-09-16 Thread Mouse
> There is a ramsomware variant that encrypts the files but silently decrypts $ This depends on the backup-taking accessing the files in a way that doesn't trip the decryption. It also depends on nobody test-restoring from the backups, or at least not sanity-checking the results if they do. It a

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-16 Thread Paul Koning
> On Sep 16, 2015, at 2:01 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > ... > Neither AVG (resident), nor McAfee (manually run weekly) detected my > infection of Cryptowall. What WILL detect it? Linux? :-) paul

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-16 Thread Al Kossow
On 9/16/15 11:15 AM, couryhouse wrote: We have 10 years of backups.ed# ever verified them?

re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-16 Thread couryhouse
We have 10 years of backups.ed# Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Robert Feldman Date: 09/16/2015 10:40 AM (GMT-07:00) To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?] >From: Mouse > >> I

re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-16 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015, Robert Feldman wrote: There is a ramsomware variant that encrypts the files but silently decrypts them when they are accessed. It does this for six months before deactivating the on-demand decryption and displaying the ransom message, the theory being that by that time all

re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-16 Thread Robert Feldman
>From: Mouse > >> I think a more important issue in backing up is "How many GENERATIONS > >to you keep around?" > >For many purposes, that's an important consideration, yes. There's >something (small) I back up weekly for which I keep the most recent >seven backups, the oldest backup in each of t

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-15 Thread Sean Caron
I ride herd on maybe three or four thousand Hitachi Ultrastar A7K{2,3,4}000 2 TB and 3 TB disks and they take a real pounding with the workload here and they have just been fantastic ... great drives; very solid ... Also used the WDC RE4 when Thailand got flooded out a few years ago and we were in

RE: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-15 Thread Ali
> In the case of spinning rust, what brand is most reliable? I've seen > dreadful reports of DOA drives from Western Digital, fewer from > Seagate, > but I don't know about Hitachi, Samsung, etc. Caveat: my experience is as a home "power user" In my experience it all depends: I have a set of Sea

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-15 Thread Al Kossow
On 9/15/15 1:02 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: In the case of spinning rust, what brand is most reliable? I've seen dreadful reports of DOA drives from Western Digital, fewer from Seagate, but I don't know about Hitachi, Samsung, etc. CHM has been having good luck with 3 and 4tb (mostly) Hitachi a

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-15 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 09/15/2015 12:32 PM, et...@757.org wrote: Pictures and movies can be original work - perhaps not for you, certainly mostly not for me (I have a few original pictures, but only a few), but I know graphic designers and photographers who have probably produced at least a gigabyte of original pict

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-15 Thread Warner Losh
On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Thomas Kula wrote: > On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 03:32:27PM -0400, et...@757.org wrote: > > > > I would cut multiple tapes of anything you care about! > > > > It's not simply enough to cut multiple tapes (backups) of anything you > care about --- you must periodically

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-15 Thread Thomas Kula
On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 03:32:27PM -0400, et...@757.org wrote: > > I would cut multiple tapes of anything you care about! > It's not simply enough to cut multiple tapes (backups) of anything you care about --- you must periodically *read* and *verify* those tapes (backups), so that you can re-co

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-15 Thread ethan
Pictures and movies can be original work - perhaps not for you, certainly mostly not for me (I have a few original pictures, but only a few), but I know graphic designers and photographers who have probably produced at least a gigabyte of original pictures each by now. And people into video produ