Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-12-03 Thread allison
On 12/02/2016 06:18 PM, Brad H wrote: > > Original message > From: allison > Date: 2016-12-02 2:23 PM (GMT-08:00) > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff > > On 12/02/2016 12:33 PM, Brad H wrote: >>

Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-12-02 Thread Brad H
Original message From: allison Date: 2016-12-02 2:23 PM (GMT-08:00) To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff On 12/02/2016 12:33 PM, Brad H wrote: > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.o

Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-12-02 Thread allison
On 12/02/2016 12:33 PM, Brad H wrote: > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rich Alderson > Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 1:34 PM > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' > Subject: RE: Thinking

RE: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-12-02 Thread Brad H
-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rich Alderson Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 1:34 PM To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' Subject: RE: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff From: Brad H Sent: Thursday, D

RE: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-12-01 Thread Rich Alderson
From: Brad H Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 8:18 AM > My Intellec 230 though might give a PDP a run for its money. See, I'm trying to get you to stop saying "a PDP". There's no such thing. There are families of PDP-n things, but there are wide differences in size, weight, and capabilities. Y

RE: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-12-01 Thread Brad H
-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of John H. Reinhardt Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 5:18 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff On 12/1/2016 2:22 AM, jim stephens wrote

Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-12-01 Thread allison
On 11/30/16 3:15 PM, Rich Alderson wrote: From: Brad H Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 9:16 AM That was kind of why I thought buying a PDP in pieces over time might be my way to go, even if it took eons to get everything I needed to rebuild one. It'd be fun to try and piece one back together

Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-12-01 Thread John H. Reinhardt
On 12/1/2016 2:22 AM, jim stephens wrote: Very true, but didn't honestly think of that in context of the thread, nor have I ever had any Digital Group stuff. And does any Digital Group cause any injuries requiring orthopedic medical attention when you are lifting it? thanks jim Only borderl

Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-11-30 Thread jim stephens
On 11/30/2016 11:36 AM, allison wrote: On 11/30/16 2:32 PM, jim stephens wrote: On 11/30/2016 9:20 AM, Al Kossow wrote: On 11/30/16 9:15 AM, Brad H wrote: When I got a dead Digital Group Z80 system, repairing that and getting it operating was like going on an exploration of ancient rui

RE: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-11-30 Thread Brad H
-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rich Alderson Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 12:16 PM To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' Subject: RE: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff From: Brad H Sent: Wednesday, N

RE: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-11-30 Thread Rich Alderson
From: Brad H Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 9:16 AM > That was kind of why I thought buying a PDP in pieces over time might be my > way to go, even if it took eons to get everything I needed to rebuild one. > It'd be fun to try and piece one back together. But yeah, I'm trying to > think of w

Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-11-30 Thread allison
On 11/30/16 2:32 PM, jim stephens wrote: On 11/30/2016 9:20 AM, Al Kossow wrote: On 11/30/16 9:15 AM, Brad H wrote: When I got a dead Digital Group Z80 system, repairing that and getting it operating was like going on an exploration of ancient ruins. Were you born in the 20th century? S

Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-11-30 Thread allison
On 11/30/16 11:48 AM, Brad H wrote: Haha. I don't know if I'd call using all that iron to run Christmas lights 'practical', though it is very cool. I'm just trying to get out of the home computer collector mindset. We buy machines that can do all sorts of things, especially games with graphic

Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-11-30 Thread Mouse
> Argument goes both ways. Does anyone really do practical things with any ho$ Depends on how you define "practical" and "home computer". My home network includes a SPARCstation-20, which is my main head (I'm typing this message using it to handle keyboard and screen). I don't think there's any

Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-11-30 Thread jim stephens
On 11/30/2016 9:20 AM, Al Kossow wrote: On 11/30/16 9:15 AM, Brad H wrote: When I got a dead Digital Group Z80 system, repairing that and getting it operating was like going on an exploration of ancient ruins. Were you born in the 20th century? Seriously, for some of us, DG microcomputers

RE: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-11-30 Thread Sam O'nella
Argument goes both ways. Does anyone really do practical things with any home computer?  On the vcf forums I enjoyed two folks who eventually got their two PDP models running chess and had them play eachother.  I'd like to see a rematch or maybe some new vintage competitors approach :-) If they

Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-11-30 Thread Al Kossow
On 11/30/16 9:45 AM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: > For me it is really about the learning experience. And boy is there much to > learn. It's very interesting to see what is different and was is similar > between various operating systems and architectures (and decades). > > Learning the history ma

Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-11-30 Thread Fred Cisin
Howzbout: line the frame of the doorway and the raingutters with rows of lights, with some of them grouped into rows of 8, 12, 16, 18, 24, 32, 48, 64, etc. Put touch sensitive nailheads at various places, including alongside some of the rows of lights. Wire the touch sensitive nailheads to re

Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-11-30 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 08:48:07AM -0800, Brad H wrote: > > Haha. I don't know if I'd call using all that iron to run Christmas lights > 'practical', though it is very cool. I'm just trying to get out of the home > computer collector mindset. We buy machines that can do all sorts of > things, e

RE: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-11-30 Thread Brad H
e. -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Al Kossow Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 9:20 AM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff On 11/30/16 9:15 AM, Brad H wrote: > > > When I got > a dead Dig

Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-11-30 Thread allison
On 11/30/16 11:48 AM, Brad H wrote: I'm curious.. what do people do with these things? I've seen videos of some in large racks being used to play music, etc. The rack ones seem like a a pretty substantial investment in space for something that doesnt (or does it?) have much practical use toda

Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-11-30 Thread Al Kossow
On 11/30/16 9:15 AM, Brad H wrote: > > > When I got > a dead Digital Group Z80 system, repairing that and getting it operating was > like going on an exploration of ancient ruins. Were you born in the 20th century? Seriously, for some of us, DG microcomputers are modern.

Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-11-30 Thread Al Kossow
On 11/30/16 9:07 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > Seriously, though, like all hobbies, it's primarily to amuse me, not to > create anything useful. And, like an old car, it's nice to have something around you can understand down to the gate or transistor level. You haven't been able to do that with a

RE: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-11-30 Thread Brad H
-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Noel Chiappa Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 9:08 AM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Cc: j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff > From: Brad H > So I wondere

Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-11-30 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Brad H > So I wondered what PDP guys did to keep interested and how much they > actually used the machine over the course of, say, a year. Well, I have to get all mine running first... ;-) Seriously, though, I'm looking at several years of work to get them all running. (And th

RE: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-11-30 Thread Fred Cisin
I'm curious.. what do people do with these things?  I've seen videos of some in large racks being used to play music, etc.  The rack ones seem like a a pretty substantial investment in space for something that doesnt (or does it?) have much practical use today. Are you sure you are on the right m

RE: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-11-30 Thread Brad H
-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Pontus Pihlgren Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 12:10 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 12:03:22AM -0800

Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-11-30 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 12:03:22AM -0800, Brad H wrote: > > I'm curious.. what do people do with these things?  I've seen videos > of some in large racks being used to play music, etc.  The rack ones > seem like a a pretty substantial investment in space for something > that doesnt (or does it?)

Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-11-30 Thread Brad H
Sent from my Samsung device Original message From: "Ian S. King" Date: 2016-11-29 7:19 PM (GMT-08:00) To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Subject: Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 5:

Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-11-29 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 08:13:53PM -0500, william degnan wrote: > > I am working on liberating 10 PDP 8i's...but the guy has fallen off comms. Woa! I hope that works out, the 8i is a very nice model. > I plan to make a trip to the location, see what I can do. I don't want > these, just want to

Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-11-29 Thread allison
On 11/29/2016 06:51 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Brad H > > > I was thinking about trying to acquire something early 70s... > > Anything DEC early 70's is going to be fairly expensive, alas. Only once one > gets to QBUS -11's does the price come down. > > > if it is feasible to buy

Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-11-29 Thread Ian S. King
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Brad H wrote: > > > That sounds interesting. I imagine they'd be worth even more than an 8/E? > > > Keep in mind that the 8/I is a fairly substantial investment in space and weight. Also, if you want to add something, it's not as easy as plugging a card into a b

Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-11-29 Thread j...@cimmeri.com
opic Posts" Subject: Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 7:28 PM, jim stephens wrote: On 11/29/2016 3:51 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: There might be a rare exception (I see the guys in Mahwah selling a PDP-8 chassis, and also a front panel with switches, and it_might_

Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-11-29 Thread Brad H
That sounds interesting.  I imagine they'd be worth even more than an 8/E? Sent from my Samsung device Original message From: william degnan Date: 2016-11-29 5:13 PM (GMT-08:00) To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Subject: Re:

Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-11-29 Thread william degnan
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 7:28 PM, jim stephens wrote: > > > On 11/29/2016 3:51 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > >> There might be a rare exception (I see the guys in Mahwah selling a PDP-8 >> chassis, and also a front panel with switches, and it_might_ be possible >> to >> round up all the boards - but

Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-11-29 Thread jim stephens
On 11/29/2016 3:51 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: There might be a rare exception (I see the guys in Mahwah selling a PDP-8 chassis, and also a front panel with switches, and it_might_ be possible to round up all the boards - but that's more like the exception than the rule.) Noel He sold th

Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff

2016-11-29 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Brad H > I was thinking about trying to acquire something early 70s... Anything DEC early 70's is going to be fairly expensive, alas. Only once one gets to QBUS -11's does the price come down. > if it is feasible to buy in pieces .. but is dependent on parts > availabilit