Re: What's the matter with kids today (Was: The origin of the phrases

2017-10-10 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Tue, 10 Oct 2017, ben via cctalk wrote: I get a new LOVE SEAT (only size that fits in my apartment) but nobody wants to sell 1/2 a cray. Maybe check with Tony Cole? a few decades ago, he was parting out some Crays.

Re: What's the matter with kids today (Was: The origin of the phrases

2017-10-10 Thread ben via cctalk
On 10/6/2017 8:34 PM, allison via cctalk wrote: I have Knuth holding up my sofa. The leg broke on sofa, and set of books happen be just the right height. Ben. I'd have replaced the sofa with bookshelves DGR Allison I get a new LOVE SEAT (only size that fits in my apartment) but nob

Re: What's the matter with kids today (Was: The origin of the phrases

2017-10-09 Thread allison via cctalk
On 10/06/2017 06:21 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: > On 10/6/2017 3:38 PM, Jack Harper via cctalk wrote: >> At 03:21 PM 10/6/2017, you wrote: >>> On Fri, 6 Oct 2017, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: I take it that your students didn't read Don Knuth's wonderful book on sorting and searching--the

Re: What's the matter with kids today (Was: The origin of the phrases

2017-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg via cctalk
> On Oct 6, 2017, at 12:08 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > > I have long held that while initial creation of software can benefit from > providing the programmers with the absolutel latest hardware, that at least > one significant stage of debugging and optimization should be done on the

Re: What's the matter with kids today (Was: The origin of the phrases

2017-10-06 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 6 Oct 2017, ben via cctalk wrote: I have Knuth holding up my sofa. The leg broke on sofa, and set of books happen be just the right height. Do you have a Timex/Sinclair doorstop? That's not a Cray sofa, is it?

Re: What's the matter with kids today (Was: The origin of the phrases

2017-10-06 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 10/6/17 3:21 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: > I have Knuth holding up my sofa. and he hasn't started screaming yet?

Re: What's the matter with kids today (Was: The origin of the phrases

2017-10-06 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Oct 6, 2017, at 5:39 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > >>> These students weren't quite ready for Knuth. They were second and third >>> semester. > > On Fri, 6 Oct 2017, Paul Koning wrote: >> Second and third semester of what, high school? Anyone qualified to be in a >> college CS

Re: What's the matter with kids today (Was: The origin of the phrases

2017-10-06 Thread ben via cctalk
On 10/6/2017 3:38 PM, Jack Harper via cctalk wrote: At 03:21 PM 10/6/2017, you wrote: On Fri, 6 Oct 2017, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: I take it that your students didn't read Don Knuth's wonderful book on sorting and searching--the one with the fold-out chart on various tape sorts--including

Re: What's the matter with kids today (Was: The origin of the phrases

2017-10-06 Thread ben via cctalk
On 10/6/2017 3:36 PM, Jack Harper wrote: We did actually design it with image processing algorithms that were too slow when we started - gambled that the hardware would catch up by product launch. And hope timing does not screw up with the next CPU revision. We run real-time video rate data t

Re: What's the matter with kids today (Was: The origin of the phrases

2017-10-06 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 10/06/2017 02:54 PM, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote: > I completely agree with you. (I probably should have put some smileys > in there somewhere). I do most of my work in embedded, and still > counting bytes, and searching for a better algorithms ... Algorithms, as I learned later in life,

Re: What's the matter with kids today (Was: The origin of the phrases

2017-10-06 Thread geneb via cctalk
On Fri, 6 Oct 2017, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > From: Jack Harper > I HATE and LOATHE bloatware - e.g., so much MicroSoft stuff. Some of us consider contemporary Linux/etc bloatware. systemd. 'nuff said. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one

Re: What's the matter with kids today (Was: The origin of the phrases

2017-10-06 Thread Jack Harper via cctalk
Great link, Grumpy - I appreciate seeing it. Regards to the List from the Rocky Mountains, Jack At 03:47 PM 10/6/2017, you wrote: BTW, I have a signed copy of Don [knuth]'s first published work. (Potrzebie System Of Weights And Measures" in Mad Magazine June 1957.) On Fri, 6 Oct 2017, Jack

Re: What's the matter with kids today (Was: The origin of the phrases

2017-10-06 Thread emanuel stiebler via cctalk
On 2017-10-06 15:35, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Fri, 6 Oct 2017, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote: It was fun optimizing/ tuning your software, when computers cost thousand of dollars, and the only thing which would make them go faster was to work on the algorithms. Now, it is much easier

Re: What's the matter with kids today (Was: The origin of the phrases

2017-10-06 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
BTW, I have a signed copy of Don [knuth]'s first published work. (Potrzebie System Of Weights And Measures" in Mad Magazine June 1957.) On Fri, 6 Oct 2017, Jack Harper wrote: ps - Amazing - I had never heard of that! https://blog.codinghorror.com/the-enduring-art-of-computer-programming/ --

Re: What's the matter with kids today (Was: The origin of the phrases

2017-10-06 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
These students weren't quite ready for Knuth. They were second and third semester. On Fri, 6 Oct 2017, Paul Koning wrote: Second and third semester of what, high school? Anyone qualified to be in a college CS program should be able to handle Knuth. community college, with lots of "returnin

Re: What's the matter with kids today (Was: The origin of the phrases

2017-10-06 Thread Jack Harper via cctalk
At 03:21 PM 10/6/2017, you wrote: On Fri, 6 Oct 2017, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: I take it that your students didn't read Don Knuth's wonderful book on sorting and searching--the one with the fold-out chart on various tape sorts--including those for tape drives with "read backwards" capabilit

Re: What's the matter with kids today (Was: The origin of the phrases

2017-10-06 Thread Jack Harper via cctalk
I hate the Graphics interface concept like the Web Browsers. Click on this, click on that! Wait 30 seconds for some banner ad to download so you can read your page. So Jack does your favorite developer send a new PC so you run his product? Well, actually we do exactly that - http://secu

Re: What's the matter with kids today (Was: The origin of the phrases

2017-10-06 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 6 Oct 2017, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote: It was fun optimizing/ tuning your software, when computers cost thousand of dollars, and the only thing which would make them go faster was to work on the algorithms. Now, it is much easier to make it faster. Just buy a faster bigger one, a

Re: What's the matter with kids today (Was: The origin of the phrases

2017-10-06 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Oct 6, 2017, at 5:21 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > > On Fri, 6 Oct 2017, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: >> I take it that your students didn't read Don Knuth's wonderful book on >> sorting and searching--the one with the fold-out chart on various tape >> sorts--including those for ta

Re: What's the matter with kids today (Was: The origin of the phrases

2017-10-06 Thread emanuel stiebler via cctalk
On 2017-10-06 15:25, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote: On 2017-10-06 14:39, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 10/06/2017 12:08 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: I take it that your students didn't read Don Knuth's wonderful book on sorting and searching--the one with the fold-out chart on vari

Re: What's the matter with kids today (Was: The origin of the phrases

2017-10-06 Thread emanuel stiebler via cctalk
On 2017-10-06 15:25, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote: It would probably heart their feelings, and kick them into an emotional crisis, looking for a safe space ;-) hurt, sorry ;-)

Re: What's the matter with kids today (Was: The origin of the phrases

2017-10-06 Thread emanuel stiebler via cctalk
On 2017-10-06 14:39, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 10/06/2017 12:08 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: I take it that your students didn't read Don Knuth's wonderful book on sorting and searching--the one with the fold-out chart on various tape sorts--including those for tape drives with "rea

Re: What's the matter with kids today (Was: The origin of the phrases

2017-10-06 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 6 Oct 2017, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: I take it that your students didn't read Don Knuth's wonderful book on sorting and searching--the one with the fold-out chart on various tape sorts--including those for tape drives with "read backwards" capability. Shame--I found that to be a very

Re: What's the matter with kids today (Was: The origin of the phrases

2017-10-06 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 6 Oct 2017, Jack Harper wrote: Interesting Stuff... One of my heroes - Ray Kurzweil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Kurzweil - says that when he builds a new product that he always projects what the computer horsepower will be like when the product is ready to launch. Say, an 18-month

Re: What's the matter with kids today (Was: The origin of the phrases

2017-10-06 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Jack Harper > I HATE and LOATHE bloatware - e.g., so much MicroSoft stuff. Some of us consider contemporary Linux/etc bloatware. Noel

Re: What's the matter with kids today (Was: The origin of the phrases

2017-10-06 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 10/06/2017 12:08 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > But, it is a common attitutde. I gave an assignment of writing a > program that could sort a data set that was too big to fit into > memory. Students COMPLAINED (including complaint to the dean), saying > that the "CORRECT" solution is repla

Re: What's the matter with kids today (Was: The origin of the phrases

2017-10-06 Thread ben via cctalk
On 10/6/2017 1:54 PM, Jack Harper via cctalk wrote: Interesting Stuff... One of my heroes - Ray Kurzweil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Kurzweil - says that when he builds a new product that he always projects what the computer horsepower will be like when the product is ready to launch.

Re: What's the matter with kids today (Was: The origin of the phrases

2017-10-06 Thread Jack Harper via cctalk
Interesting Stuff... One of my heroes - Ray Kurzweil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Kurzweil - says that when he builds a new product that he always projects what the computer horsepower will be like when the product is ready to launch. Say, an 18-month development cycle, then design th

What's the matter with kids today (Was: The origin of the phrases

2017-10-06 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Moore's law only worked for hardware, software lagged typically two years behind. Ah, but some software companies try to "keep up". One way is to write all software to REQUIRE hardware that came out this year^H^H^H^H month^H^H^H^H^H week. For those of us who do not buy all new equipment every