On Mon, 2 Mar 2015, Brian Trammell wrote:
Gaming protocols do this right - latency measurement is built into the
protocol.
I believe this is the only way to do it properly, and the most likely
easiest way to get this deployed would be to use the TCP stack.
We need to give users an easy-to-u
> On 2 Mar, 2015, at 12:17, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2 Mar 2015, Brian Trammell wrote:
>
>> Gaming protocols do this right - latency measurement is built into the
>> protocol.
>
> I believe this is the only way to do it properly, and the most likely easiest
> way to get this dep
bravo!
On Sunday, March 1, 2015 6:22pm, "Dave Taht" said:
> There's nothing new here, but it was a nice rant to get out of my system:
>
> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.operators.nanog/128201
>
> Of late, I have been taking a page from Linus Torvalds' playbook, in
> realizing that "on
On my own web server (running nginx) I provide an HTTP 1.1 accessible
statistics service. It returns a single JSON structure with the underlying
packet statistics for the server and the current connection. Since this packet
is inserted into the HTTP 1.1 stream upon request, it provides both the
hi Dave,
> On 02 Mar 2015, at 04:57, Dave Taht wrote:
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> On this thread over here, an otherwise pretty clueful user chose
> openwrt's qos-scripts over the sqm-scripts, because sqm-scripts had
> *higher ping loss*.
I am not proud of the fact that I am not surprised by this.
> How can we fix th
I'm rather new to the aqm community, but IMHO, it is wrong to deprioritize the
ping traffic by default. I would not have expected a forwarding agent to do
this.
And I think measuring ping times and loss is a reasonable thing to do, never
expecting forwarding agents along the path to place more
> On 02 Mar 2015, at 11:54, Jonathan Morton wrote:
>
>
>> On 2 Mar, 2015, at 12:17, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 2 Mar 2015, Brian Trammell wrote:
>>
>>> Gaming protocols do this right - latency measurement is built into the
>>> protocol.
>>
>> I believe this is the only way to
On Mon, 2 Mar 2015, Andrew Mcgregor wrote:
So, are you suggesting that, for example, Chrome's rather extensive network
debugging information get more publicised? We can probably arrange that.
That would be good. I have no idea what debugging info you are referring to.
David Lang_
On Mon, 2 Mar 2015 15:45:10 +0100, Brian Trammell wrote:
On 02 Mar 2015, at 11:54, Jonathan Morton
wrote:
On 2 Mar, 2015, at 12:17, Mikael Abrahamsson
wrote:
On Mon, 2 Mar 2015, Brian Trammell wrote:
Gaming protocols do this right - latency measurement is built into
the protocol.
I be
Dave Taht writes:
> Any objections here?
Yes! I certainly wouldn't want to run that.
> Suggestions for how to make one of the ipv6 translation techniques
> work right?
Turn them off? ;)
-Toke
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I would definitely be interested in being involved with how to secure and
firewall, but still provide access to, internal IPv6 hosts. Ie, the
internet the way it's supposed to work (peer to peer), but with the
security that we've inadvertently picked up along the way by using NAT
everywhere for th
Would you do that to TCP or UDP traffic?
At IETF I often hear laments about middle-boxes breaking the internet by being
"clever" with certain types of traffic.
It seems that policing ICMP falls into that category.
There may have been bugs in the past, but I'm not aware that ICMP packets are
any
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Wes Felter wrote:
> What about a token bucket policer, so more than N ICMP/second gets penalized
> but a normal ping won't be.
If I haven't expressed this too many times before, I want to thank you
all for existing.
It is the quality and caliber of all the folk o
On Mon, 2 Mar 2015, Dave Dolson wrote:
Would you do that to TCP or UDP traffic?
At IETF I often hear laments about middle-boxes breaking the internet by being
"clever" with certain types of traffic.
It seems that policing ICMP falls into that category.
There may have been bugs in the past, bu
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
> Dave Taht writes:
>
>> Any objections here?
>
> Yes! I certainly wouldn't want to run that.
Not a problem. You are fortunate enough to have stable ipv6 addresses
where you are - and me, I have to go bat-s**t crazy everytime I get
r
On Mon, 2 Mar 2015, Joe Touch wrote:
On 3/2/2015 1:40 AM, Brian Trammell wrote:
...
The real solution is to create a utility called "ping" that uses
traffic that gets prioritized the same way as the traffic you care
about instead of ICMP echo request/reply. Users don't care about
the packets on
On Mon, 2 Mar 2015, Joe Touch wrote:
On 3/2/2015 3:14 PM, David Lang wrote:
On Mon, 2 Mar 2015, Joe Touch wrote:
On 3/2/2015 1:40 AM, Brian Trammell wrote:
...
The real solution is to create a utility called "ping" that uses
traffic that gets prioritized the same way as the traffic you care
Maybe I should mention https://github.com/apenwarr/blip
HTTP ping, using deliberate 204 responses. Will run over whatever version
of HTTP/SPDY/QUIC your browser happens to be using at the time.
On 3 March 2015 at 10:34, David Lang wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Mar 2015, Joe Touch wrote:
>
> On 3/2/2015
On 3/2/2015 1:40 AM, Brian Trammell wrote:
...
> The real solution is to create a utility called "ping" that uses
> traffic that gets prioritized the same way as the traffic you care
> about instead of ICMP echo request/reply. Users don't care about
> the packets on the wire so much as they do t
On 3/2/2015 3:14 PM, David Lang wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Mar 2015, Joe Touch wrote:
>
>> On 3/2/2015 1:40 AM, Brian Trammell wrote:
>> ...
>>> The real solution is to create a utility called "ping" that uses
>>> traffic that gets prioritized the same way as the traffic you care
>>> about instead of IC
On Mon, 02 Mar 2015 11:17:33 +0100, Mikael Abrahamsson said:
> We have a huge amount of information in our TCP stacks that either are
> locked in there and not used properly to help users figure out what's
> going on, and there is basically zero information flow between the
> applications using TC
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