Re: A sad day in tshirt land

2009-02-04 Thread Maureen
My favorite T-Shirt that I have says "I'm not a Bitch, I'm the Bitch. And that's Ms. Bitch to you". I rarely wear it but I get some looks when I do. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > I'll be getting a couple shirts there before they go out of business I > hope. I hate to

Re: A sad day in tshirt land

2009-02-04 Thread Bruce Sorge
My problem is I cannot decide which one to get. I love them all. Judah McAuley wrote: > I've considered getting that one myself. > > Sadly they no longer carry one of my favorites which said "Eat your > pussy, there are starving children in Ethiopia" > > I'll be getting a couple shirts there befo

Re: A sad day in tshirt land

2009-02-04 Thread Judah McAuley
I've considered getting that one myself. Sadly they no longer carry one of my favorites which said "Eat your pussy, there are starving children in Ethiopia" I'll be getting a couple shirts there before they go out of business I hope. I hate to spend much on tshirts but I do love to fuck with peo

Re: A sad day in tshirt land

2009-02-04 Thread Maureen
Cool stuff. I want this one: http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/i-taught-your-boyfriend-that-thing-you-like/ On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > My favorite grossly offensive tshirt company, TShirt Hell, is going > out of business. > > http://www.tshirthell.com/hell.sh

Re: A sad day in tshirt land

2009-02-04 Thread Bruce Sorge
I never knew of this site. These shirts are funny as hell. Judah McAuley wrote: > My favorite grossly offensive tshirt company, TShirt Hell, is going > out of business. > > http://www.tshirthell.com/hell.shtml > > It is difficult to go through their site and not find something that > offends you

A sad day in tshirt land

2009-02-04 Thread Judah McAuley
My favorite grossly offensive tshirt company, TShirt Hell, is going out of business. http://www.tshirthell.com/hell.shtml It is difficult to go through their site and not find something that offends you. I like that about them. Equal opportunity guys. And I adore their baby stuff. Especially the

Re: Heat Up The Nukes

2009-02-04 Thread Bruce Sorge
Heh, you said cock. Scott Stroz wrote: > The USA Badminton team? Seriously? Is this a joke? > > Sadly, I can actually see us going to war because we were not allowed to hit > a shuttle cock around in Iran. > > > ~| Adobe® Col

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Scott Stroz
If I did not have health insurance I could pay for myself and I purposely stuck a fork into an electrical socket, knowing that it would harm me, do you really think that the tax payers of this country should bear the burden of my stupidity? I am not advocating killing the handicapped, merely sugge

Re: ok obama, this shit needs to stop

2009-02-04 Thread Judah McAuley
Shouldn't we know how that information would be governed by their laws? We really shouldn't be in a situation where we say, "here's this info and we know that you are legally obligated to give it up if asked but we'd really prefer that you tell your legal system to fuck off, right?" I don't want

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Charlie Griefer
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Larry Lyons wrote: > Further you cannot debate, your only responses are juvenile insults. It > doesn't make your ideas any more valid or legit, it only demeans you. > Despite the contrary evidence you are not unintelligent. Try using your > intellect for once. >

Re: Obama: I screwed up

2009-02-04 Thread Sam
First he was JFK, then he was FDR, then he was Lincoln, then he was Washington, Now he's Carter. Why can't he just try to be great on his own? On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Mary Jo Sminkey wrote: > >>I will say, I like the fact that he man-upped. > > Yes, I think it reflects somewhat how he

Re: ok obama, this shit needs to stop

2009-02-04 Thread Jerry Johnson
Well, no. If the information was shared with the explicit agreement that it could not be made public, then it is our business. If they decide to share secrets, regardless of the reasons to do so, we cannot continue to share similar secrets. On the other hand, our government should do everything

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Dana
why are smoking cessation activities wasteful? On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Some great stimulus numbers that I ran some quick addition on. Here's > the summary: > > Total: $900 Billion > Tax Cuts: 33% > Agreed Stimulus: 64% > Alleged Pork: 2.1% > > So that's the squawk.

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Maureen
No, they don't. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > But those bankers think of you when they order a $100 martini. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the

Re: Obama: I screwed up

2009-02-04 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>I will say, I like the fact that he man-upped. Yes, I think it reflects somewhat how he has studied a lot about Lincoln and what made him such a great President. We all know about him choosing rivals for cabinet positions, but another of his many great qualities was taking the blame for thing

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Gruss Gott
> Scott wrote: > they claim they do not, well, then they may be too stupid to live because > 'scare the shit out of you' warnings are on every pack they buy. Same with mortgages and retirement savings ... yet ... people still do stupid shit. Oh, and the swaps that destroyed the world's economy.

Re: Obama's cabinet

2009-02-04 Thread Dana
ok, if you say so, you are not a blind supporter. But there are some here who were who are saying this. As for Oprah I suspect she was taken out of context. But if she was not, well, so what. I don't go by Oprah and neither do you :) On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Not

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Larry Lyons
>These very vulnerable people made a choice to smoke. We, the tax payers, >did not force them to do so, so why should we, the tax payers, have to pay >for the result of this behavior? And so should they die? > >> >> >> And who died and made you God? Are you willing to individually judge who is >

Re: ok obama, this shit needs to stop

2009-02-04 Thread Dana
dude. Because the judge is right. What happens in British court is none of our business and we should not be trying to influence it because it might embarrass the outgoing administration. Hell, it would be wrong if it was a US court. that's why. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Rastafari wrote:

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Scott Stroz
I guess the point I am trying to make is that if you engage in dangerous behavior, whether it is smoking, drinking, sky diving, swimming with sharks, etc, it should not become a burden to tax payers. I will admit that there a a percentage...a small percentage...of people who started smoking long

Re: Obama's cabinet

2009-02-04 Thread Maureen
At least he isn't George Bush. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > That meme is over, the "Barack Obama is Jimmy Carter" meme is now forming. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and drama

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Casey Dougall
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Maureen wrote: > > The long term health problems from the mercury exposure in those light > bulbs is going to be much greater than the health problems from any > oil spill from drilling. > I think the idea here is, if you pay an extra $3 + per light bulb. you won

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Scott Stroz
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Larry Lyons wrote: > > > But you did say that you thought that seniors on medicare with emphysema > due to smoking should be forced to pay for all the treatment. Hey they're on > Medicare, they cannot afford the treatment, they don't have the money. If > they can'

A Marine's View Of Iraqi Elections

2009-02-04 Thread Gruss Gott
I have no inside information on the latest election, but I was on the ground for the 2005 rounds of elections in Fallujah, and can shed some light and historical perspective on what happened. As your sources noted, the Sunnis of Anbar province boycotted the first round of elections in January

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Larry Lyons
>I can accept that, it took me more than one atempt to quit smoking. One of my more favourite psychology researcher is Stanleu Schacter. Basically he found that people make multiple attempts at quitting smoking. He surveyed an entire town about it - every current smoker and each former smoker.

Re: Obama's cabinet

2009-02-04 Thread Robert Munn
That meme is over, the "Barack Obama is Jimmy Carter" meme is now forming. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Sam wrote: > > > http://hotair.com/archives/2009/02/04/so-much-for-the-greatest-transition-evahtm/ > > Now Obama looks weak and inexperienced, flailing at his first > executive position

The Power We Need

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Re: The Power We Need

2009-02-04 Thread Gruss Gott
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Re: Now this I agree with.

2009-02-04 Thread Charlie Griefer
:) On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > "You think" their unbridled zealotry is scary. > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Charlie Griefer > wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > > > > > > > > Scott wrote: > > > > > > > > Be careful of throw

Re: Now this I agree with.

2009-02-04 Thread Jerry Johnson
"You think" their unbridled zealotry is scary. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Charlie Griefer wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > > > > > Scott wrote: > > > > > > Be careful of throwing around that 'nationalize' word, some people > equate > > > that with socialism.

Re: Now this I agree with.

2009-02-04 Thread Charlie Griefer
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > > Scott wrote: > > > > Be careful of throwing around that 'nationalize' word, some people equate > > that with socialism. > > > > Yeah, you're right, those people are real morons and after Bush we > know all too well how dangerous morons can

Re: Heat Up The Nukes

2009-02-04 Thread Rastafari
they say a butterfly sneeze can set off a war. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > The USA Badminton team? Seriously? Is this a joke? > > Sadly, I can actually see us going to war because we were not allowed to hit > a shuttle cock around in Iran. > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:

Re: Now this I agree with.

2009-02-04 Thread Gruss Gott
> Scott wrote: > > Be careful of throwing around that 'nationalize' word, some people equate > that with socialism. > Yeah, you're right, those people are real morons and after Bush we know all too well how dangerous morons can be.

Re: ok obama, this shit needs to stop

2009-02-04 Thread Rastafari
why? On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Dana wrote: > > Now. > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/04/AR2009020402999.html?hpid=topnews > > > LONDON, Feb. 4 -- Two British High Court judges ruled against > releasing documents describing the treatment of a British detainee

ok obama, this shit needs to stop

2009-02-04 Thread Dana
Now. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/04/AR2009020402999.html?hpid=topnews LONDON, Feb. 4 -- Two British High Court judges ruled against releasing documents describing the treatment of a British detainee at the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, but made clear thei

Re: Heat Up The Nukes

2009-02-04 Thread Scott Stroz
The USA Badminton team? Seriously? Is this a joke? Sadly, I can actually see us going to war because we were not allowed to hit a shuttle cock around in Iran. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > The State Department confirms that the USA Badminton team has been > forced to ca

Re: Now this I agree with.

2009-02-04 Thread Scott Stroz
Be careful of throwing around that 'nationalize' word, some people equate that with socialism. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > > CG wrote: > > > > i already said that. nobody cares :( > > I care! > > But it's just a millimeter in the right direction IMO. > > The gov't nee

Re: Obama: I screwed up

2009-02-04 Thread Scott Stroz
How do we know it was an 'error' and not a 'deliberate attempt on his part to defraud'. If he kept the info from his 'people' then the onus is on him. If his 'people' knew about it and tried to hide it, then his people are just as guilty as he is. But, bottom line, his signature goes on the tax

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Scott Stroz
Then I would have to say that, while we agree on the ultimate goal of getting rid of our dependence on oil, we disagree on how to handle that dependence until such time comes that we don't need oil anymore. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > > Scott wrote: > > > > I am not ad

Re: Now this I agree with.

2009-02-04 Thread Gruss Gott
> CG wrote: > > i already said that. nobody cares :( I care! But it's just a millimeter in the right direction IMO. The gov't needs to immediately nationalize the banks, eject the leadership, roll off the bad debt, and then re-sell the banks back to the public. It works, so just fecking do it

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Gruss Gott
> Scott wrote: > > I am not advocating that we just drill. I think we do need to invest in > alternative/renewable energy sources, but I also think that as long as the > need for oil exists, we should try to make sure as much of that need is met > by getting it from our own house. > The easiest

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Maureen
The long term health problems from the mercury exposure in those light bulbs is going to be much greater than the health problems from any oil spill from drilling. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > If something goes wrong with off shore drilling, the consequences really >

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Maureen
The stimulus comes from the money spent on the campaign, not from the long term cost reductions. Gotta keep those Madison Avenue ad agencies employed working on the anti-smoking ads, and fill the coffers of the pharmaceutical companies who make the anti-smoking aids. Not to mention the hypnotis

Heat Up The Nukes

2009-02-04 Thread Gruss Gott
The State Department confirms that the USA Badminton team has been forced to cancel its trip to Iran because Iranian officials did not issue the team visas in time for the tournament that begins tomorrow. The State Department is privately furious, and spokesman Robert Wood said on the record this

Re: Obama: I screwed up

2009-02-04 Thread Maureen
First, the 140K is for 3 years, and includes interest and penalties, so the annual amount of tax not paid was a small percentage of what he owed and did pay. I'm certain he does have "people" for that. And it was his "people" who made the error, not a deliberate attempt on his part to defraud.

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Scott Stroz
I am not advocating that we just drill. I think we do need to invest in alternative/renewable energy sources, but I also think that as long as the need for oil exists, we should try to make sure as much of that need is met by getting it from our own house. I wish solar, wind, biofuel was a viabl

Re: Now this I agree with.

2009-02-04 Thread Scott Stroz
Missed that...sorry, ceej On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Charlie Griefer wrote: > > i already said that. nobody cares :( > http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/thread.cfm/threadid:29058 > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > > > http://treasury.gov/press/rele

Re: NY Giants Coach Coughlin Retires

2009-02-04 Thread Gruss Gott
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Re: Now this I agree with.

2009-02-04 Thread Charlie Griefer
i already said that. nobody cares :( http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/thread.cfm/threadid:29058 On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > http://treasury.gov/press/releases/tg15.htm > > -- > Scott Stroz > --- > If I laugh after I insult you, it doesn't

Now this I agree with.

2009-02-04 Thread Scott Stroz
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Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Gruss Gott
> JJ wrote: > If the worldwide oil situation every gets _really_ bad, I want to have that > supply in out back pocket, to give us a last chance to move to something > else. > That's my issue with it. We know oil is a losing game so why play it? (answer: because people like hearing Palin say, "d

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Jerry Johnson
I am not at all opposed to offshore drilling. I _am_ opposed to continue to give the rights for that drilling to companies that already have millions of unexplored miles of licenced area. Drink the milk you have before you ask for more. Don't hoard. Once you have used up what you have, give it

Re: Obama: I screwed up

2009-02-04 Thread Sam
You were talking about tax problems with his cabinet and how this was common amongst the wealthy, I assumed you were referring to cabinet nominees. Only Kerik had a tax problem. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Oh, are we talking about people that are despicable now? Y

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Judah McAuley
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > So, paying for smoking cessation now so we see a payoff in the future is > good. But drilling offshore now so we see a payoff in the future is bad. I > don't get it. > It's an issue of opportunity cost. Money put into energy conservation h

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Scott Stroz
So, paying for smoking cessation now so we see a payoff in the future is good. But drilling offshore now so we see a payoff in the future is bad. I don't get it. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > I don't know the details of the smoking cessation program. For so much > of

Re: Obama: I screwed up

2009-02-04 Thread Judah McAuley
Oh, are we talking about people that are despicable now? You said that you didn't remember other Presidents having problems putting together their cabinets. I just showed you a number of instances where Bush had problems putting together his cabinet. I don't care what you think about Chavez, Kerik

Re: Obama's cabinet

2009-02-04 Thread Sam
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > Both Bush Sr and Dukakis were running against the memory of Reagan, which at > the time was a good memory. Both poor speakers so they ran on other things, like issues or memories. > Both Bush Jr and Gore were running against the memory o

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Scott Stroz
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Larry Lyons wrote: > > > > Except that's for one attempt only. And in most of these studies (many of > which I know - I did some research in the area) - they had a very stringent > definition of success rate. After 2 or 3 attempts at quitting smoking, the > majori

Re: Obama's cabinet

2009-02-04 Thread Sam
Yet, I think Clinton would have won a 3rd term if available. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Charlie Griefer wrote: > > Yeah, "soiled" probably wasn't the best word choice when talking about > memories of Clinton :) > ~| Adobe

Re: Obama's cabinet

2009-02-04 Thread Charlie Griefer
Yeah, "soiled" probably wasn't the best word choice when talking about memories of Clinton :) On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > Both Bush Sr and Dukakis were running against the memory of Reagan, which > at > the time was a good memory. > > Both Bush Jr and Gore were run

Re: Obama's cabinet

2009-02-04 Thread Jerry Johnson
Both Bush Sr and Dukakis were running against the memory of Reagan, which at the time was a good memory. Both Bush Jr and Gore were running against the memory of Clinton, which at the time was a soiled memory. Kerry was running against Bush Jr, but didnt convincingly win the argument "I am bette

Re: Obama's cabinet

2009-02-04 Thread Sam
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/02/04/so-much-for-the-greatest-transition-evahtm/ Now Obama looks weak and inexperienced, flailing at his first executive position in government — just as many of us predicted he would do during the campaign. The media never bothered to ask the tough questions abo

Re: Obama's cabinet

2009-02-04 Thread G Money
Yes, but this was different. Obama didn't have to "construct" a candidate that was a polar opposite of Bush..he didn't have to make promises or policies that set him apart from Bush. Just by speaking and being himselfhe was the epitome of "different".he was "change" before he ever

Re: Obama: I screwed up

2009-02-04 Thread Sam
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > You don't remember Bush having problems with confirmations? > > Linda Chavez for Labor who, oops, turned out to have an illegal > immigrant nanny that she never paid employment taxes on. >From Wiki In 2001, President George W. Bush nomina

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Jerry Johnson
For me, the whole Columbia River Highway is the right kind of public works project. I love Multnomah Falls (although I think Horseshoe Falls is my favorite), love Timberline Lodge (and miss snowboarding, even though I sucked at it). Love lots of what they did. That is the model for me. People at

Re: Obama's cabinet

2009-02-04 Thread Charlie Griefer
To an extent, yeah that'll always hold true. The incumbent has made mistakes. The challenger has not (at least, not in the capacity of POTUS). But Bush Sr wasn't running against Reagan. so that particular comparison doesn't work (Dukakis wasn't the predecessor). Bush Jr. wasn't running against

Re: Obama's cabinet

2009-02-04 Thread Sam
Wasn't Slick Willy elected before him solely for his BS/speaking ability? Obama would have conned the masses no matter who he was up against. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:10 PM, G Money wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > >> I still think that the traits that got him

Re: Obama's cabinet

2009-02-04 Thread Charlie Griefer
I'll agree with that. An acquaintance of mine is a die-hard Republican and was furious when McCain got the nomination. That was the first time I'd hear the term "RINO". I'm pretty sure he still voted republican... but he wasn't too happy about it :) On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Sam wrote:

Re: Obama's cabinet

2009-02-04 Thread Jerry Johnson
I think George Bush Sr won with a message of "I may not be Reagan, but at least I am not Dukakis" I think Bill Clinton won against Bush Sr with the message "I am human. All too human. I am not a robot. (but i'd sleep with one)" I think Bush Jr won with a message of "I leave it in my pants. I don't

Re: Obama's cabinet

2009-02-04 Thread Sam
Bush received 50 and then 62 million votes to McCain's 59 million I guess 3 million is a lot, but it doesn't tell me many republicans turned against the party because of Bush, I would say a few turned because they didn't trust McCain to be a conservative. You can say what you want, I'm just tryi

Re: Obama's cabinet

2009-02-04 Thread G Money
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > I still think that the traits that got him elected, his ability to > speak, His ability to speak clearly was magnified by the current president's inability to do so. Think about it, the ability to be a slick speaker was almost a GIVEN befo

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Charlie Griefer
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > The smoking cessation program, as i understand it, will not create any new > jobs. it will not save at risk jobs. it will not buy any meaningful amount > of durable goods. it _will_ have a very-long-term benefit. > > That (to me) is not pe

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Judah McAuley
I don't know the details of the smoking cessation program. For so much of the stimulus bill the devil is in the details. But I agree with your analysis. If a project puts more people to work short term on projects that are dependable and provide long term benefit, then I am in favor of it. Project

Re: Obama's cabinet

2009-02-04 Thread G Money
Make no mistake, Obama was a terrific candidate, and well prepared and educated and all of thatBUT...and this is just my opinion...but I truly believe that his message of hope, predicated on little more than "change", without hardly an ounce of experience...would not have succeeded in the leas

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Jerry Johnson
Yes, that all makes perfect sense. (And does exactly what the stimulus needs to do). That construction project gives immediate jobs, prevents immediate layoffs, buys durable goods, gives medium-term stability to that company and workforce, and has a long-term structural benefit cause by short-ter

Re: Obama's cabinet

2009-02-04 Thread Judah McAuley
I think that that is the reason that Obama is President right now. I also suspect that he would have run and probably won down the road. The biggest knock against him at the start of this was the lack of experience. And that was a point I entirely agreed with, it was certainly my initial reservati

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Larry Lyons
>I think we need to get out of the business of protecting people from their >own stupidity > It sounds like a great idea except for most often it means that people's stupidity impacts on the rest of us. All too often its far cheaper to prevent the idiocy than to clean up after it. There are qui

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Charlie Griefer
Judah - I don't always agree with what you say, but I'm always impressed by how you say it. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Jerry, here is the way I see the stimulus plan. > > "Stimulus" is pumping money into the economy. It is borrowing from the > future to try and sp

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Gruss Gott
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Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Judah McAuley
Jerry, here is the way I see the stimulus plan. "Stimulus" is pumping money into the economy. It is borrowing from the future to try and spur growth now that (hopefully) will allow us to pay back what we are borrowing from the future. Bush tried a direct, short term, financial stimulus. Give eve

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Larry Lyons
>I think we need to get out of the business of protecting people from their >own stupidity. > >And, using Larry's numbers, can we really afford to put tax dollars behind >something that has a 90% failure rate? Except that's for one attempt only. And in most of these studies (many of which I know

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Larry Lyons
> > Larry wrote: > > I disagree. This country spends over $50 billion annually on smoking > related diseases. > > fair enough as long as it pumps some money into ads, jobs, et al I'm > all for it AT the very least are the salaries of the people running the smoking cessation clinics. Then ther

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Scott Stroz
I would agree that maybe the patient was handed over to the ER team. However, even in the ER they do not focus on long term care. Hell, even in the ICU they do not start thinking about long term care until the patient has stabilized. And I would have to say, if we are so hurting that this stimulu

Re: Obama: I screwed up

2009-02-04 Thread Judah McAuley
You don't remember Bush having problems with confirmations? Linda Chavez for Labor who, oops, turned out to have an illegal immigrant nanny that she never paid employment taxes on. Spencer Abraham for Energy who had sponsored a bill previously to abolish the DOE. Bernard Kerik for Homeland Securi

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Cameron Childress
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > What is the rush? Seems like the used car dealer trying to get the young > couple to sign the loan quickly, without letting them read all the fiddly > details. Wait didn't evenone have a shit-fit when the 3 page bailout bill was floated and

Re: Obama's cabinet

2009-02-04 Thread Charlie Griefer
I did. But I didn't say all. I said "many". And I stand by that. It's opinion and not proven scientifically, but I think Bush fucked up to such amazing levels that many people wanted change. And not just a change in president, but a change in party just because they wanted change *that* badly.

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Charlie Griefer
I think the rush is because we're hurting. But I don't think that in our haste, we should be short sighted. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > Actually, don't blame Scott for that analogy, it was me. > > And why do we need an immediate stimulus passed in the next 15 days

Re: Obama's cabinet

2009-02-04 Thread Jerry Johnson
you forgot the "H" as the last word in your message. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > > gMoney wrote: > > > > Barack Hussein Obama was elected president of the United States because > of > > one manGeorge W. Bush. > > > > Excellent clarification. But, success = opportu

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Jerry Johnson
Actually, don't blame Scott for that analogy, it was me. And why do we need an immediate stimulus passed in the next 15 days for projects that don't have any return for a decade or decades. Why can we not take a more deliberative approach for that long term spending, and handle it as "normal" sp

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Charlie Griefer
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > > gg wrote: > > 3.) Any medical procedures done today should have a line-of-sight to > > the long term health of the patient. > > > > The patient was turned over to the specialists in Oct 2008, and is > currently in surgery. The specialists

Re: Obama's cabinet

2009-02-04 Thread Sam
You did say: "thoroughly sickened by Bush (and by extension, the Republican party), " I'm just pointing out that might not be the case. There are many reasons the voters leaned towards Obama, McCain wasn't a strong candidate, people can be easily lead, the economy took a dive just before the elec

Re: Obama's cabinet

2009-02-04 Thread Gruss Gott
> gMoney wrote: > > Barack Hussein Obama was elected president of the United States because of > one manGeorge W. Bush. > Excellent clarification. But, success = opportunity + preparation. Bush provided some - maybe most - of the opportunity and Obama provided the preparation.

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Gruss Gott
> Scott wrote: >> This is CPR at an accident scene, not long term health care. >> That's totally false. 1.) The EMT turned over the patient last year and the stimulus *is* the doctor for the future - it's the federal gov't. 2.) The patient has already been stabilized, which was the heading off

Re: Marines crush a car in Iraq who's owner was apparently looting old wood.

2009-02-04 Thread Cameron Childress
Wait I thought punishment for theft in Iraq was chopping the guy's hands off? Where do I sign up for them to come smash some cars in my neighborhood? Theft and car break-ins are on the rise big time since the Atlanta Police Department furloughed it's force. -Cameron On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:5

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Gruss Gott
> gg wrote: > 3.) Any medical procedures done today should have a line-of-sight to > the long term health of the patient. > The patient was turned over to the specialists in Oct 2008, and is currently in surgery. The specialists have been assembled and while the patient is opened up on the table

Re: A mean thing for anyone that's watched Futurama

2009-02-04 Thread Paul Ihrig
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Re: Obama's cabinet

2009-02-04 Thread Scott Stroz
I don't think I can agree with that. I think that even if Bush was not such a boob, Obama could still be president today. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:58 PM, G Money wrote: > > Barack Hussein Obama was elected president of the United States because of > one manGeorge W. Bush. > > If his time is

RE: states rights

2009-02-04 Thread LRS Scout
Where in the constitution is this? -Original Message- From: G Money [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 8:29 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: states rights On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Tony wrote: > > is there any democratic senators that support states ri

Re: Stimulus Numbers!

2009-02-04 Thread Scott Stroz
As a former paramedic..I love the EMS analogy. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > Yes. > > The only reason to take these extraordinary measures is because things are > broke NOW, and getting worse. > > This is CPR at an accident scene, not long term health care. > > I don'

RE: states rights

2009-02-04 Thread LRS Scout
See I would think one that would have such an individualistic view would be as into government solutions as you are. I think personally we are and should each be sovereign individuals, that the county sheriff should be the highest form of law enforcement, and the federal government should go back

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