Re: Sign of the Apocalypse: Jews, Muslims sue to block referendum on circumcision

2011-06-24 Thread Maureen
Not even close to being the same thing. Comparing circumcision with clitoral mutilation is like comparing a hangnail to a amputation. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > I bet you would have similar feelings if your labia or clitorus were cut > off... > > -Original Mes

RE: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Eric Roberts
So would that be Isnotreal *grin* -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:58 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election No to realists! It's another name for get rid of Israel. . On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Sam
No to realists! It's another name for get rid of Israel. . On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:02 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Eric Roberts wrote: >> >> That's because conservatives have moved so far to the right that everyone >> else looks liberal when compared to them. >> > > Or they've become theoris

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Sam
The map please. . On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Dana wrote: > > ok, sure, we aim to please. > > Here you go. The reason they are talking the "64,000 illegal aliens > registered to vote" shit is that it inspires gullible fools like you > to send the republican party money: > > http://newmexi

RE: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Eric Roberts
Considering that was one of the many laws repealed in the south because it disenfranchised voters...history would disagree with you. -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:09 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: How states are rigging t

RE: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Eric Roberts
Who said because of having an id? I sure didn't. I said there was a history of government spying on the people. Please read before opening mouth Scott. -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:08 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re:

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Scott Stroz
I am against disenfranchising voters, I just don't agree that requiring an ID disenfranchises voters. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Nothing has been debunked except the members of this list are unified in > their stand against disentrancing voters. > > -Original M

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Scott Stroz
I fail to see how that is government spying on people becasue they have a state issued ID. Try again. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > You don’t remember the illegal domestic wiretaps under the Bush > administration that Obama has continued? > > -Original Message

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Gruss Gott
Eric Roberts wrote: > > That's because conservatives have moved so far to the right that everyone > else looks liberal when compared to them. > Or they've become theorists just like liberals have always been: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2077943,00.html It'd be nice if we got

RE: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Eric Roberts
That's because conservatives have moved so far to the right that everyone else looks liberal when compared to them. -Original Message- From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 05:25 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

RE: Sign of the Apocalypse: Jews, Muslims sue to block referendum on circumcision

2011-06-24 Thread Eric Roberts
I bet you would have similar feelings if your labia or clitorus were cut off... -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 02:05 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Sign of the Apocalypse: Jews, Muslims sue to block referendum on circumcision

RE: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Eric Roberts
Nothing has been debunked except the members of this list are unified in their stand against disentrancing voters. -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 11:51 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 electio

RE: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Eric Roberts
You don’t remember the illegal domestic wiretaps under the Bush administration that Obama has continued? -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:10 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election What rece

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Dana
ok, sure, we aim to please. Here you go. The reason they are talking the "64,000 illegal aliens registered to vote" shit is that it inspires gullible fools like you to send the republican party money: http://newmexicoindependent.com/70180/susana-martinezs-pac-fundraises-off-immigrants-drivers-li

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Scott Stroz
You do realize that in most circumstances, a driver's license is suitable to use as an ID, right? On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Dana wrote: > > driving does not require an id, ma'am. Just a driver's license, and I > have one of those. No points, no warrants. > > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:45 A

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Sam
Whatever, just send me the map that gets me out of this twilight zone episode. . On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 9:24 PM, Dana wrote: > > no. it is the privilege to drive. The map is not the terrain Sam, did > you miss the memo on that? > > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Sam wrote: >> >> A drivers

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Sam
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Dana wrote: > > The AG that Bush fired tried to make a case and could not find a case > that could honestly be made. He said so and whoops, got fired, > allegedly for other reasons. I refer you to the Inspector-General's > report I cited earlier and which you do n

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Dana
no. it is the privilege to drive. The map is not the terrain Sam, did you miss the memo on that? On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Sam wrote: > > A drivers license is and ID. > > . > > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Dana wrote: >> >> driving does not require an id, ma'am. Just a driver's licen

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Sam
If you weren't such a horses ass I would take offense. . On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Dana wrote: > > yeah I guess that was to Sam, sorry. Although now that I realize that > it was Sam saying it I am no longer surprised that it isn't sticking > in his craw. Nothing sticks in Sam's craw. Yo

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Sam
A drivers license is and ID. . On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Dana wrote: > > driving does not require an id, ma'am. Just a driver's license, and I > have one of those. No points, no warrants. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion A

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Dana
Is this a proposal? If so it works for me, I think. Maybe not as a requirement but instead as an available alternate authentication method. Because it WOULD increase the amount of data the government has on its citizens; many people currently do not have their fingerprints on file and do not want

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Dana
> 1) Bush fired AG's The AG that Bush fired tried to make a case and could not find a case that could honestly be made. He said so and whoops, got fired, allegedly for other reasons. I refer you to the Inspector-General's report I cited earlier and which you do not appear to have read. This is no

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Dana
yeah I guess that was to Sam, sorry. Although now that I realize that it was Sam saying it I am no longer surprised that it isn't sticking in his craw. Nothing sticks in Sam's craw. You at least appear to be thinking about stuff, even if we disagree. > You talking to Sam or me?  I don't know enou

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Dana
not familiar with Wisconsin. I am interested in the issue and will look later if I have time but that currently seems unlikely > On fraud in general.  Clerical errors will happen.  Look what happened in > Wisconsin with Prosser versus Kloppenburg. > > ID's maybe able to help reconcile the number

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Dana
you know that outside the United States this line of thinking is called "neo-liberal, right? On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 7:27 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > For a group that is for less government, they sure seem to want more of it. > They want voter id's, they want to regulate who can and can't get ma

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Dana
driving does not require an id, ma'am. Just a driver's license, and I have one of those. No points, no warrants. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:45 AM, Maureen wrote: > > How do you drive without an ID? > > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Dana wrote: >> >> hmm. I have not had an ID for over a year n

Re: DropBox Security Issues (Re: anonymous is up to something)

2011-06-24 Thread Dana
one thing to check... AES was once and possibly still is considered military and subject to export restrictions. I *think* I read that this restriction had been eased, but the results I get on a fast google are contradictory -- possibly, if the restriction was lifted, because some of them predate

Re: DropBox Security Issues (Re: anonymous is up to something)

2011-06-24 Thread Dana
she moved. I remember your name but not much about yabut welcome back. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Will Swain wrote: > > Good thanks. :) > > How about you - you still in the UK? Croydon area wasn't it? > > w > > -Original Message- > From: Erika L. Rich [mailto:elr...@ruwebby.co

Re: Illegal Alien Covers White House with Washington Post Approval

2011-06-24 Thread Maureen
My guess is that Washington Post supposedly vetted him, and the Secret Service took their word for it. The SS agents who did so obviously never watched Air Force One with Harrison Ford, or the episode of Stargate SG-1 where the terrorists pretending to be reporters took over. On Fri, Jun 24, 201

Re: Sign of the Apocalypse: Jews, Muslims sue to block referendum on circumcision

2011-06-24 Thread Maureen
+10 for leaving us alone. I despise having to deal with governments, even after many years of working for and with them. Or perhaps because of that. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 1:02 PM, G Money wrote: > > Yeah, weird. > > Why can't those idiots get together and protect everyone, all the time? >

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Gruss Gott
Jerry Barnes wrote: > > This has been debunked ad nauseum.  At this point, you're arguing just to > argue. > What's been debunked? You're arguing for more bureaucracy, more process, and more government; liberals always try that. The real question is when does process inhibit liberty? I would

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: > > Isn't requiring an electric bill more punitive than an ID for a > homeless person or any family member not having utilities in their > name? > Yup, which is why nobody requires it. What is required is some type corroboration which the bill suffices as. ~~

Re: Illegal Alien Covers White House with Washington Post Approval

2011-06-24 Thread Gruss Gott
Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > Not knowing about the legal status IS a pretty big deal, considering > the types of checks the Secret Service are _supposed_ to be running. > Eh. They'll end up accidentally running him down soon anyway, so why check any deeper? ~~~

Re: Russian nuclear scientists killed in plane crash

2011-06-24 Thread Gruss Gott
PT wrote: > > And with 1.21 you can time travel!  Don't think they aren't working on it. > On Thurs, Jan 23, 2094 at 2:13 PM, Gruss Gott Wrote: Yeah, uh, "working on it ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.am

Re: Illegal Alien Covers White House with Washington Post Approval

2011-06-24 Thread Casey Dougall
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > Knowing and ignoring or deciding legal status is not relevant or > dangerous is one thing. > > Not knowing about the legal status IS a pretty big deal, considering > the types of checks the Secret Service are _supposed_ to be running.

Re: Russian nuclear scientists killed in plane crash

2011-06-24 Thread PT
And with 1.21 you can time travel! Don't think they aren't working on it. So close On 6/23/2011 10:23 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > acknowledge. With 1 GW of directed energy at your disposal, you could knock > down almost anything. ~~

Re: Illegal Alien Covers White House with Washington Post Approval

2011-06-24 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
Knowing and ignoring or deciding legal status is not relevant or dangerous is one thing. Not knowing about the legal status IS a pretty big deal, considering the types of checks the Secret Service are _supposed_ to be running. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Dana wrote: > > I believe that th

Re: Illegal Alien Covers White House with Washington Post Approval

2011-06-24 Thread Dana
I believe that the point was stupid. Security is there to prevent threats, not ensure adherence to some ideological standard of correctness. If he was not a threat then no matter how tight the security might be they might not have noticed any other characteristics he might have. On Thu, Jun 23,

Re: Sign of the Apocalypse: Jews, Muslims sue to block referendum on circumcision

2011-06-24 Thread G Money
Yeah, weird. Why can't those idiots get together and protect everyone, all the time? OR...better yet.just leave us all alone :) On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Maureen wrote: > > And the conservative agenda stops at birth. > > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 12:27 PM, G Money wrote: > > > > > A

Re: Sign of the Apocalypse: Jews, Muslims sue to block referendum on circumcision

2011-06-24 Thread Maureen
And the conservative agenda stops at birth. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 12:27 PM, G Money wrote: > > Apparently the liberal agenda for protecting children starts at birth :) > > (throw some gasoline on the fire and watch it burn baby!) ~~

Re: Sign of the Apocalypse: Jews, Muslims sue to block referendum on circumcision

2011-06-24 Thread G Money
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Maureen wrote: > > The backers of this law claim to want to protect the rights of the > child, which would fit with the liberal agenda. Apparently the liberal agenda for protecting children starts at birth :) (throw some gasoline on the fire and watch it burn

Re: Sign of the Apocalypse: Jews, Muslims sue to block referendum on circumcision

2011-06-24 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Stupid waste of time and energy, because it will never pass." Probably not. On the PC perspective, the situation gets a lot trickier when you add in Muslims. Just weird that someone would even try it. Anyway, it's good to seem Muslims and Jews cooperating on something. J - Ninety percent

Re: Sign of the Apocalypse: Jews, Muslims sue to block referendum on circumcision

2011-06-24 Thread Maureen
The backers of this law claim to want to protect the rights of the child, which would fit with the liberal agenda. I suspect some weiner misses the tip of his weener, is mad at mommy and daddy because of it, so he wants to foist his rage on the rest of the world. Stupid waste of time and energy

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Thus states, countries, and cities should have a good record of who is possibly a voter." "Should" and actuality do not necessarily meet when it comes to bureaucracy on any level. "They might even ask you to have a neighbor or 2 vouche for you in case you don't have such bill." This doesn't w

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Sam
I'm a slow learner, so they tell me... :) . On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Sam...when will you learn, you cannot bring common sense into > political discussions > > > *waits for the 'It's different' defense * > ~

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Scott Stroz
Sam...when will you learn, you cannot bring common sense into political discussions *waits for the 'It's different' defense * On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Sam wrote: > > Isn't requiring an electric bill more punitive than an ID for a > homeless person or any family member not having u

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Sam
Isn't requiring an electric bill more punitive than an ID for a homeless person or any family member not having utilities in their name? And then there's the scheduling your vote around neighbors that can vouch for you? . On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > If you walk into

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Scott Stroz
What recent history? Please show me one documented case where the gov't 'spied' on someone becasue they had a state issued ID. On the flip side: How it paranoia to want to verify someone is who they claim to be when they are casting a vote (arguably the single most important thing we, as citizen

RE: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Eric Roberts
Is it paranoid when recent history supports that? There has been more government interference into our lives...more illegal intrusions into our privacy ever since Bush took office than during any time in our history. -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent:

RE: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Eric Roberts
For a group that is for less government, they sure seem to want more of it. They want voter id's, they want to regulate who can and can't get married, they want to determine what a woman can and can't do with their body, they want to limit the substances we can take into our bodies without getting

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Scott Stroz
Hrm...what is more paranoid? Wanting to require people show ID in order to vote, or thinking that having an ID means the government can spy on you? On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Jerry Barnes wrote: >> >> "A conservative would argue for AT LEAST state's rights in this c

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Gruss Gott
Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "A conservative would argue for AT LEAST state's rights in this case > because, at the end of the day, it's about being true to principles." > > It's strictly a state's rights issue right now.  That is why all of the laws > differ from each other.  That is not to say that

Timothy Geithner: Raise taxes so government won't shrink

2011-06-24 Thread Jerry Barnes
Timothy Geithner to the House Small Business Committee on Wednesday: We're not doing it because we want to do it, we're doing it because we see no alternative to a balanced approach to reduce our fiscal deficits. If you don't touch revenues and you leave in place the tax cuts for the top 2 pe

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Jerry Barnes
"A conservative would argue for AT LEAST state's rights in this case because, at the end of the day, it's about being true to principles." It's strictly a state's rights issue right now. That is why all of the laws differ from each other. That is not to say that one day it will not become a fed

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-24 Thread Sam
Aren't we talking about State laws? . On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Eric Roberts wrote: >> >> It's liberals that are against this and conservatives that are for it Gruss. >> > > Mmm I dunno Eric, that doesn't make sense. > > A conservative would argue for AT LEAST stat

Re: DropBox Security Issues (Re: anonymous is up to something)

2011-06-24 Thread Erika L. Rich
Back in the states now. It was Croydon, yes! Doing very well thanks! :) On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Will Swain wrote: > > Good thanks. :) > > How about you - you still in the UK? Croydon area wasn't it? > > w > > -Original Message- > From: Erika L. Rich [mailto:elr...@ruwebby.com]

RE: Small Home SAN

2011-06-24 Thread Scott Raley
Which model dlink enclosure? -Original Message- From: Scott Stewart [mailto:webmas...@sstwebworks.com] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 8:48 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Small Home SAN I bought the D-Link enclosure and a 720 GB drive a couple of years ago and it's a tank... very durable

Re: Small Home SAN

2011-06-24 Thread Scott Stewart
I bought the D-Link enclosure and a 720 GB drive a couple of years ago and it's a tank... very durable and reliable On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Scott Raley wrote: > > Any recommendations on what you are using in your home office for SAN > storage?  I've seen Netgear and Dlink on sale at Tig

Small Home SAN

2011-06-24 Thread Scott Raley
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2011-06-24 Thread Casey Dougall
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