Re: I am simply speechless over this one.

2013-01-25 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
Hatton, you've gotta admit the wording of that law is a bit sketchy. They could have easily limited it to anyone who coerces another person to get an abortion. By including the woman they've intentionally made it a gray area. On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:29 PM, C. Hatton Humphrey

Republicans in Virginia, other states seeking electoral college changes

2013-01-25 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Does the Republican Party hate American Democracy so much they want to destroy it? This makes me wonder. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/republicans-in-virginia-other-states-seeking-electoral-college-changes/2013/01/24/430096e6-6654-11e2-85f5-a8a9228e55e7_story.html

Re: Republicans in Virginia, other states seeking electoral college changes

2013-01-25 Thread GMoney
Question: What's the difference in apportioning electoral votes like this by congressional district...vs. just having a straight popular vote??? I mean, you keep chopping up the electoral into finer and finer pieceseventually you are just left with a single voter. On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at

Liberal Policy Incubator - San Francisco

2013-01-25 Thread Cameron Childress
It's time to face facts: San Francisco is spectacularly mismanaged and arguably the worst-run big city in America. This year's city budget is an astonishing $6.6 billion — more than twice the budget for the entire state of Idaho— for roughly 800,000 residents. Yet despite that stratospheric

Re: Republicans in Virginia, other states seeking electoral college changes

2013-01-25 Thread Larry C. Lyons
The writer and scientist David Brin discusses this, just with a few more histrionics. http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/2013/01/when-villains-propose-really-good-idea.html But what would happen is that it throws much greater weight to republican controlled districts (which coupled with the recent

Re: I am simply speechless over this one.

2013-01-25 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
I see no gray area here with this language: Tampering with evidence shall include procuring or facilitating an abortion, or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion, of a fetus that is the result of criminal sexual penetration or incest with the intent to destroy evidence of the

Re: I am simply speechless over this one.

2013-01-25 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
and who decides intent? Is it a real issue that a raped woman would purposefully have an abortion to hide evidence? How about the doctor that performs it? I still contend it's a poorly worded law and it seems the lawmaker admits as much also. On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 9:09 AM, C. Hatton

Re: I am simply speechless over this one.

2013-01-25 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
This seems clear to me, too. (that the right to bear arms as part of a well-regulated militia). But there is disagreement. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. And this one is

Re: Republicans in Virginia, other states seeking electoral college changes

2013-01-25 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
There are already states that apportion votes by a process similar to this concept, known as the Congressional District Method. Maine and Nebraska. Personally I think this is a good thing and not because of the political party pushing it. For people like myself, a conservative in New York, my

Re: Republicans in Virginia, other states seeking electoral college changes

2013-01-25 Thread GMoney
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote: But what would happen is that it throws much greater weight to republican controlled districts (which coupled with the recent sneaky redistricting attempt) makes this a blatant power grab. How can you be both

Re: Republicans in Virginia, other states seeking electoral college changes

2013-01-25 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
sneaky coupled with blatant. two different things. seems ok to me conceptually. On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:34 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote: But what would happen is that it throws much greater weight

Re: I am simply speechless over this one.

2013-01-25 Thread Larry C. Lyons
According to what I've read there have not any cases where that happened. To me it seems just to be another case of trying by any means to block a woman's freedom of choice. On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com wrote: and who decides intent? Is it

Re: Republicans in Virginia, other states seeking electoral college changes

2013-01-25 Thread Larry C. Lyons
read the second link I gave, but basically the Virginia Senate is evenly split 20 - 20 for each party. One senator, who was a long time civil rights worker was invited to sit near the President in viewing stand at the inauguration. So while he was in DC the senate republicans had a slight

Re: Republicans in Virginia, other states seeking electoral college changes

2013-01-25 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
And that was a dickish move. Not voting for things because they are right, but changing things so your sides win. Ah, where is the honor in politics? On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote: read the second link I gave, but basically the Virginia Senate

Re: Republicans in Virginia, other states seeking electoral college changes

2013-01-25 Thread Larry C. Lyons
The stupid thing is that they could have won the redistricting issue - Bill Bolling, Lieutenant Governor of Virginia is a republican and maybe would have voted for it. - hard to say though given his recent screwing over by the party. But coupled with the attempt to change how the electoral votes

RE: FW: Possible Executive Action - Gun Control

2013-01-25 Thread LRS Scout
Ex post facto - in other words you would have to grandfather everyone. As to blocking gun control, the part where it defines the unorganized militia as everyone, because of that everyone has the right. On Jan 25, 2013 2:18 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Ex Post

Re: FW: Possible Executive Action - Gun Control

2013-01-25 Thread Judah McAuley
Once again, Tim, you ought to know the difference between legislation and constitution. A law may provide guidance to the interpretation of a constitutional right that the judiciary may defer to. However, every single one of those laws can be changed through legislative action. The notion that a

Re: Republicans in Virginia, other states seeking electoral college changes

2013-01-25 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Here's some more detail of the redistricting issue: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/va-politics/va-republicans-move-on-redistricting-draws-criticism/2013/01/22/f7645ee8-64b9-11e2-9e1b-07db1d2ccd5b_story.html So here's how the original idea would work. First, if the electoral votes are

Re: Republicans in Virginia, other states seeking electoral college changes

2013-01-25 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Here's how it would be a part of this redistricting: Under the Priebus plan, electoral votes from battleground states such as Florida, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and others that now regularly back Democrats for president would be allocated not to the statewide winner but

Using Science to Sniff out Science That’s Too Good to Be True : The Cru

2013-01-25 Thread Larry C. Lyons
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2012/09/19/when-science-is-too-good-to-be-true/#.UQLBQb88CSo Don't know about you guys but as a research and data analysis geek this is fascinating. As these techniques are used more and more often I suspect that a number of major names and results in any

another wacky law conservatives want to pass

2013-01-25 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
-- Forwarded message -- From: Zaphod Beeblebrox zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 1:39 PM Subject: To: cf-community cf-community@houseoffusion.com Bills like this are the reason I'm leary of Republican lawmakers who propose legislation and then say, Oh,

Re: another wacky law conservatives want to pass

2013-01-25 Thread Judah McAuley
You know, the only oath of office that is actually specified in the Constitution is the office of the Presidency. And it does not, in fact, contain the words so help me God. Article 2, Section 1, Clause 8: “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President

RE: another wacky law conservatives want to pass

2013-01-25 Thread Eric Roberts
The AZ law maker that proposed the bill that would make an abortion a felony in the case of rape backtracked, claiming she meant it to punish the rapist, not the woman...so basically if you rape someone or commit incest and force the woman to have an abortion, that would be tampering with

Re: another wacky law conservatives want to pass

2013-01-25 Thread Jeff Garza
U... Arizona has an 800 million dollar budget surplus. We're in the black when most of the country is in the red. And we're quite busy trying to woo gun manufacturers from the east coast out to Arizona. No sense them staying in a state that doesn't want their products (unless they are

Update of Women in Combat Jobs

2013-01-25 Thread Bruce Sorge
So today General Cone, the commander of TRADOC (Training and Doctrine Command) announced that the services will have to ensure that the standards are met in regards to women serving in combat jobs. http://www.armytimes.com/news/2013/01/army-physical-standards-key-for-women-in-combat-012413w/

Re: another wacky law conservatives want to pass

2013-01-25 Thread Judah McAuley
Amid ballooning classroom sizes, cuts to social services...cutting everything but Sheriff Joe. Now, if only the job of the state was to make money instead of take care of citizens, you'd be doing alright. Good job on having a surplus while fucking over the people of the state. I'm sure that's

Re: Update of Women in Combat Jobs

2013-01-25 Thread Judah McAuley
This social experiment is just like all the others. Somehow they managed to survive integrating blacks into the military, I'm sure they'll figure this out. Will it be disruptive? In the short term, I'm sure. Will we end up with a stronger force as a result? History indicates, yes. Still, glad

RE: another wacky law conservatives want to pass

2013-01-25 Thread Eric Roberts
Then maybe you should work on improving the curriculum instead of legislating stupid bullshit like this -Original Message- From: Jeff Garza [mailto:j...@garzasixpack.com] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 4:31 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: another wacky law conservatives want to

RE: another wacky law conservatives want to pass

2013-01-25 Thread Jeff Garza
Next time I run for the legislature I will. Until then I'll vote for those candidates that most closely match my worldview. I'm pretty sure this guy didn't run on this as a platform. That's what you get when you have representative government ya know... Jeff Original Message

Re: another wacky law conservatives want to pass

2013-01-25 Thread Judah McAuley
I'd bet he ran on a God and Guns and Liberty! platform, which has historically produced this sort of asinine legislation. Because you know what will make better students and citizens? Jesus! Judah On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Jeff Garza j...@garzasixpack.com wrote: Next time I run

Re: another wacky law conservatives want to pass

2013-01-25 Thread Judah McAuley
By, the by, Jeff, when discussing the economy, we tend to think about jobs. How is Arizona doing there?

Re: another wacky law conservatives want to pass

2013-01-25 Thread Jeff Garza
I wouldn't know. None of the sponsors of the bill are in my district. Oh well. In any case, just like 90% of all submitted legislation, this one likely won't see the light of day and will die an unrequited death in committee. Jeff Original Message From: Judah McAuley

Re: another wacky law conservatives want to pass

2013-01-25 Thread Judah McAuley
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Jeff Garza j...@garzasixpack.com wrote: I wouldn't know. None of the sponsors of the bill are in my district. Oh well. In any case, just like 90% of all submitted legislation, this one likely won't see the light of day and will die an unrequited death in

Re: another wacky law conservatives want to pass

2013-01-25 Thread Jeff Garza
Not bad given the seasonality of our workforce and the lack of manufacturing we have here. And lo and behold... it would appear that it's doing better than the commie bastards in Oregon. How do you explain that? https://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=z1ebjpgk2654c1_met_y=unemploym

Re: another wacky law conservatives want to pass

2013-01-25 Thread Jeff Garza
Aaaannd, since the link didn't seem to come through, just add Oregon to the same chart you sent to me. :-) But hey, the stock market is nearing new highs! Jeff Original Message From: Jeff Garza j...@garzasixpack.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 4:54 PM To:

Re: another wacky law conservatives want to pass

2013-01-25 Thread Judah McAuley
Lot's of explanations for Oregon. And as far as the hippie bastards go, Oregon's government is curiously divided, mostly in a good way. Last session, one house of congress was split equally and had co-chairs and the other had the barest of Democratic majorities. They were surprisingly effective.

Re: Liberal Policy Incubator - San Francisco

2013-01-25 Thread Jerry Barnes
Is this where all of Amercia is headed? Detroit. That is the model of America's future. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel, go out and buy some more tunnel.

Re: Republicans in Virginia, other states seeking electoral college changes

2013-01-25 Thread Jerry Barnes
I mean, you keep chopping up the electoral into finer and finer pieceseventually you are just left with a single voter. Districts are apportioned by population. Each state has a set number based on the census. The districts may be gerrymandered, but they cannot be increased or decreased.

Re: Update of Women in Combat Jobs

2013-01-25 Thread LRS Scout
If they actually do it then I can support it. I doubt it though. Both the women that signed up for the USMC Infantry Officers quit, and they couldn't find more to do it. Like Bruce I've known a couple of women that could hang, Tactical HUMINT, PSYOP, MPs, CA, and FETs all do forward deployed

Re: Liberal Policy Incubator - San Francisco

2013-01-25 Thread Maureen
In 2008, which working for the state court system, I was offered a job managing the budget for San Francisco. I turned it down because I just wasn't up for dealing with the politics involved. Even so, I'd rather live in San Francisco than any other big city on earth. Problems yes, but tiny

Re: Liberal Policy Incubator - San Francisco

2013-01-25 Thread Maureen
In 2008, while working for the state court system, I was offered a job managing the budget for San Francisco. I turned it down because I just wasn't up for dealing with the politics involved. Even so, I'd rather live in San Francisco than any other big city on earth. Problems yes, but tiny