Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Tony
i dont like the sounds of this blog posting... something makes me sad, angry and worried about it... honestly... not worried its going to die, but just i dont know, i have a strange feeling they may just open source the whole damn thing and shed it as a product... moving the quality people to the f

Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Yves Arsenault
Charlie Griefer:"i still think it's a crime that they've never code named an upcoming release "Lazarus" cuz that right there is comedy gold." haha! Love it! Yves Arsenault "Love is the only force capable of transforming an enemy into a friend". --Martin Luther King, Jr. ~~

Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Robert Munn
Circuit City sucks, that is why they are going down the tubes. Adobe does not suck, they are just at the mercy- like everyone else- of the current business cycle. If the software industry went through what the banking industry is going through, I would say that anything and everything is on the tab

Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Cameron Childress
Who you callin' chicken?!?!?!? -Cameron On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've always found the most accurate readings using chicken livers. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the

Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Charlie Griefer
's > funny, crops up a couple times a year at least. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Michael Grant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:39 PM > > To: cf-community > > Subject: Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees > >

RE: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Loathe
TECTED] > Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:24:52 -0500 > To: cf-community cf-community@houseoffusion.com > Subject: Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees > > > Of course it does. Everyone always lists ColdFusion as the > one to die, > > be cut, cause global warming, etc. > >

RE: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Loathe
Hells yes, you need to submit that to someone. > -Original Message- > From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 4:23 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees > > i still think it's a cri

Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Wil Genovese
> ** Private ** wrote: > > Interesting. How vulnerable is CF? I've read somewhere that Adobe > isn't > > really thrilled with having to support CF because it doesn't really > fit > > into their product offerings but are forced to because of the large > user > > base. Is there a chance that Ad

Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Michael Grant
hmmm, filtered out my tag in the email. That was a "cf_carbonRecapture" tag. -Original message- From: "Michael Grant" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:39:16 -0500 To: cf-community cf-community@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees

Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Michael Grant
mmunity@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees > Of course it does. Everyone always lists ColdFusion as the one to die, be > cut, cause global warming, etc. > > AFAIK all departments have received targets for next year and are now > > devising plans to meet those

Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Of course it does. Everyone always lists ColdFusion as the one to die, be cut, cause global warming, etc. AFAIK all departments have received targets for next year and are now > devising plans to meet those targets. It is far from clear yet what the > impact for specific products, including ColdFu

RE: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Won Lee
> > AFAIK all departments have received targets for next year and are now > devising plans to meet those targets. It is far from clear yet what the > impact for specific products, including ColdFusion, will be and there > is plenty of speculation. I have heard several different axe list > rumours

Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Jochem van Dieten
** Private ** wrote: > Interesting. How vulnerable is CF? I've read somewhere that Adobe isn't > really thrilled with having to support CF because it doesn't really fit > into their product offerings but are forced to because of the large user > base. Is there a chance that Adobe will a) sell CF

Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Michael Dinowitz
ColdFusion is moving to a more central position in Adobe's product line based on what we can see from MAX and other conferences. The 'possible' feature sets includes such things as client side actionscript which pulls flash/flex/air/actionscript programmers into CF or at least into CF as more of a

Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
I've always found the most accurate readings using chicken livers. On Dec 4, 2008, at 2:03 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> nope, never said that, I was just saying that you couldn't count on >> the info that Robert

Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Michael Grant
Buy lots of duct tape and plastic! -Original message- From: "Cameron Childress" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:59:52 -0500 To: cf-community cf-community@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees > Some guys somewhere heard that someone s

Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > nope, never said that, I was just saying that you couldn't count on > the info that Robert wrote to determine the future of CF. Personally, I prefer tea leaves. -Cameron ~~~

Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
-- >> From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:36 PM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees >> >> I dunnoCircuit City was opening a bunch of stores, some >> just a few weeks,

Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Cameron Childress
Some guys somewhere heard that someone said something sometime about it. Run for shelter! The world is ending! -Cameron On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i read it on ben's blog man... > > jk of course :) ~

Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Tony
Hahaha > > Seriously? > >> -Original Message- >> From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:36 PM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees >> >> I dunnoCircuit City was opening a bu

RE: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Loathe
Ok, ColdFusion is dying, again, yipeee Hahaha Seriously? > -Original Message- > From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:36 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees > > I dunnoCircu

Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
m: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:28 PM >>> To: cf-community >>> Subject: Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Won Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: &g

RE: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Won Lee
> -Original Message- > From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:12 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees > > Adobe would not be spending R & D dollars on a new IDE and a new > version of &g

Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Won Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Come join the rumor mill with me. It's lots of fun! That gets VERY old after awhile. Perhaps when I heard someone trembling under the table about it 8 years ago it was worth discussing, but not really... Yawn. -Cameron ~

Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Robert Munn
IL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:28 PM > > To: cf-community > > Subject: Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees > > > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Won Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Interesting. How vulnerable is CF? I'v

RE: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Won Lee
> -Original Message- > From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:28 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Won Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >

RE: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Won Lee
> While I don't know how vulnerable it may be, what I can tell you is > this: > the CF presence at MAX was far and away larger and more varied than > those > same offerings last year, both in available sessions/labs and number of > developer attendees. And the CF Unconference area was very popular,

Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Won Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Interesting. How vulnerable is CF? I've read somewhere [snip] Somewhere? Uh huh. -Cameron ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and

Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Judah McAuley
Seems pretty straight forward to me. Corporate America is hurting and they are reigning in costs, which includes things that can be delayed like software upgrades. CS3 works just fine. Yeah, CS4 might be more snazzy and might help your devs be more productive, but if you are having a hard time brin

RE: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Won Lee
> -Original Message- > From: Michael Grant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:02 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees > > Why don't they just some Photoshop some extra zeros on their profit > stateme

Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread morgan l
While I don't know how vulnerable it may be, what I can tell you is this: the CF presence at MAX was far and away larger and more varied than those same offerings last year, both in available sessions/labs and number of developer attendees. And the CF Unconference area was very popular, as well. So

Re: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Michael Grant
Why don't they just some Photoshop some extra zeros on their profit statements? -Original message- From: "Cameron Childress" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:46:45 -0500 To: cf-community cf-community@houseoffusion.com Subject: Adobe laying off 600 employee

RE: Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Won Lee
> > Ready, set, discuss > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi- > bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/12/04/BUE114DS4L.DTL > > ""The global economic crisis significantly impacted our revenue during > the fourth quarter," Adobe's president and chief executive officer, > Shantanu Narayen, said in a statement.

Adobe laying off 600 employees

2008-12-04 Thread Cameron Childress
Ready, set, discuss http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/12/04/BUE114DS4L.DTL ""The global economic crisis significantly impacted our revenue during the fourth quarter," Adobe's president and chief executive officer, Shantanu Narayen, said in a statement. "We have taken actio