Re: Data Shows A GW Trend

2007-08-20 Thread Gruss Gott
> Russ wrote: > What risks? The risk that there is global warming and that it will change our environment from ways ranging from unpleasant and/or expensive to toxic and/or unlivable. ~| Get the answers you are looking for on the

Re: Data Shows A GW Trend

2007-08-20 Thread Dinner
What about cause and effect? My lord, you'd think we thought we could do whatever the hell we wanted without any type of repercussions, right? Sam's claims that "we've always been doing stuff" aside (*gawf*). It's this whole, lack of common sense, I guess. People insisting on impossible proofs b

Re: Data Shows A GW Trend

2007-08-20 Thread Russel Madere
What risks? The magnetic pole reversing, allowing more solar radiation to hit the ocean and warm the currents? If you say greenhouse gasses, give me a good, peer reviewed, non-statistical analysis paper showing greenhouse gasses warm the atmosphere. >The question is, will it go back or keep g

Re: Data Shows A GW Trend

2007-08-20 Thread Sam
We are and always have been. On 8/20/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So ... there's data that says it could be happening, and maybe bad, > but here's also things that say it may not be (your links). Beyond > that, if there is GW (meaning not "common cause" variance, but > "special c

Re: Data Shows A GW Trend

2007-08-20 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > Two stories: > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1720024.ece > So ... there's data that says it could be happening, and maybe bad, but here's also things that say it may not be (your links). Beyond that, if there is GW (meaning not "common cause" variance, but "specia

Re: Data Shows A GW Trend

2007-08-20 Thread Sam
I was thinking glaciers but ok. Two stories: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1720024.ece http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/07/06/greenland_ice_yields_hope_on_climate/ http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/MediaAlerts/2007/2007070525352.html Sharp, who has support

Re: Data Shows A GW Trend

2007-08-19 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > Can you back any of that up? > Saturday, August 18, 2007 Scientific institutes in the U.S. and Japan confirmed yesterday the Arctic Ocean ice cover has shrunk to the smallest size ever recorded, prompting a startling prediction from one expert that the world could witness a total s

Re: Data Shows A GW Trend

2007-08-19 Thread Sam
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/08/19/nasa-s-hansen-says-global-warming-skeptics-are-court-jesters-working- http://tinyurl.com/382w45 On 8/19/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Given that the data here is right: > > http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/realdeal.16aug20074.pdf >

Re: Data Shows A GW Trend

2007-08-19 Thread Sam
On 8/19/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So forget him. 100 years ago there were more glaciers than there are > now. 100 years ago the North pole was iced over more than now. 100 > years ago Antarctica had more ice pack than now. Can you back any of that up? ~~~

Re: Data Shows A GW Trend

2007-08-19 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > Can > we get a serious scientist to defend this guy? > So forget him. 100 years ago there were more glaciers than there are now. 100 years ago the North pole was iced over more than now. 100 years ago Antarctica had more ice pack than now. What do we need scientists for? We jus

Re: Data Shows A GW Trend

2007-08-19 Thread Sam
James Hansen says so. Funny how he admitted fudging numbers to stress the importance of the science and people still respect him. Every article I read mentions specifically that this only covers Americas temperatures yet Hansen entire argument is that they don't. I find it difficult to take anyone

Data Shows A GW Trend

2007-08-19 Thread Gruss Gott
Given that the data here is right: http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/realdeal.16aug20074.pdf There's definitely a nasty decade-over-decade trend going on and it don't look pretty. ~| Download the latest ColdFusion 8 utilities includ