> none of them call me names for no reason.
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On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Michael Grant [Modus IS]
wrote:
>> Why did you join this list? Shouldn't you be on DailyKos?
>
> I'm a cfer and felt like being part of the community. For good or for bad.
> I gues
That was a report Bush ordered about the risk form al Qaeda. It was
what they dug up from 1998. Nobody from the Clinton admin thougt it
was important enough to mention to the new admin.
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Dana wrote:
> you mean like that report titled "Bin Laden determined to stri
> Why did you join this list? Shouldn't you be on DailyKos?
I'm a cfer and felt like being part of the community. For good or for bad.
I guess I'm like that neighbour you hate.
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Let me rephrase that. I will not blame only Bush but there are people who
would no matter who's president or how much time has past.
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Michael Dinowitz <
mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote:
> Bush
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Sam wrote:
>
>> If there's a
You need to lose the bias and learn to accept facts when you see them.
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Dana wrote:
> this is that Gorelick wall Sam was ranting about a while back, right?
> Color me a non-believer on the determinative nature of anything Sam
> rants about.
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009
Bush
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Sam wrote:
> If there's an attack in eight months, who will you blame?
>
> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> > Thus comparatively, if Obama goes 2 years with no successful homeland
> > attack, then he's beat Bush.
>
If there's an attack in eight months, who will you blame?
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> Thus comparatively, if Obama goes 2 years with no successful homeland
> attack, then he's beat Bush.
>
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We know for a fact Clinton's response to the WTC bombing didn't
prevent it from happening again.
Unless you want to claim Bush undid what Clinton did to protect us.
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Michael Grant [Modus IS]
wrote:
>> No attacks on US soil since 9/11.
>
> 9/11 was the first attack
Why did you join this list? Shouldn't you be on DailyKos?
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 6:49 AM, Michael Grant [Modus IS]
wrote:
>> Can't we also blame Clinton for all of these?
>
> Sure, if you're a total idiot you can.
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Everyone knew Bin Laden was determined to strike in the US. That's like
saying criminals are looking for ways to commit crimes. Duh.
What the FBI lacked was specific actionable intelligence, directly because
Clinton put into place rules that prevented the CIA and FBI from sharing
intelligence. You
I repeat my question. What good?
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Michael Dinowitz
wrote:
> She must have sent those monkeys. And forced the cultural avoidance on
> condoms. And and and. Because no matter what, no matter when, no matter how,
> it's Bush's fault (or Laura's).
>
> But to be on topi
She must have sent those monkeys. And forced the cultural avoidance on
condoms. And and and. Because no matter what, no matter when, no matter how,
it's Bush's fault (or Laura's).
But to be on topic, if he's responsible for all the bad during his
presidency then he MUST be responsible for all the
there was good? oh yeah AIDS in Africa. I smell Laura there.
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Michael Dinowitz
wrote:
> How soon they forget an earlier series of attacks on America through NY. The
> first bombing of the Twin Towers by *. The shooting of a bus of students
> on a bridge by
How soon they forget an earlier series of attacks on America through NY. The
first bombing of the Twin Towers by *. The shooting of a bus of students
on a bridge by *. But they were not major attacks on the US homeland and
they were not under Bush.
Bush created Al Queda. Bush funded the Muj
you mean like that report titled "Bin Laden determined to strike in
US" that was in the White House shortly before 9/11?
Right. You Bush apologists are sounding more bitter and less rootedin
reality all the time.
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Robert Munn wrote:
> Yes, that's the one. It prev
Yes, that's the one. It prevented the FBI from learning about specific
information the CIA had - bank wire transfers between one of the guys who
was caught (and is now rotting in Guantanamo) and the other hijackers. Had
the CIA been able to pass that information to the FBI, they might have
stopped
this is that Gorelick wall Sam was ranting about a while back, right?
Color me a non-believer on the determinative nature of anything Sam
rants about.
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Robert Munn wrote:
> The rules Clinton put in place prevented the FBI and CIA from sharing
> information.
>
> On
The rules Clinton put in place prevented the FBI and CIA from sharing
information.
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:01 AM, Dana wrote:
> wow... the report on Bush's desk had nothing to do with it, did it?
> Pray tell how did Clinton the private citizen prevent the FBI an d the
> CIA from talking to one
wow... the report on Bush's desk had nothing to do with it, did it?
Pray tell how did Clinton the private citizen prevent the FBI an d the
CIA from talking to one another?
> Clinton is the one who failed to get Bin Laden despite having had multiple
> opportunities to either arrest him or take him
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> > RoMunn wrote:
> > That is exactly what I am driving at. Before 9/11, emergency procedures
> were
> > just not THAT tight. After 9/11, Bush put together Homeland Security and
> > put a huge amount of money and focus on improving security and
39 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Does Bush deserve credit for ny rescue?
>
> To be even more of a nit picker, you're incorrect. Germany in the First
> World War did attack American territory (both submarine attacks and landing
> saboteurs). In the 2nd World War Germany
Wowzers. I stand corrected... VERY corrected. :D
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From: Larry Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 1:39 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Does Bush deserve credit for ny rescue?
To be even more of a nit picker, you're inco
> RoMunn wrote:
> That is exactly what I am driving at. Before 9/11, emergency procedures were
> just not THAT tight. After 9/11, Bush put together Homeland Security and
> put a huge amount of money and focus on improving security and emergency
> response for airline incidents.
I've not seen a sh
If Scott is to be believed, the procedures had nothing to do with it :)
Interesting research question if anyone has time for it
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
> That is exactly what I am driving at. Before 9/11, emergency procedures were
> just not THAT tight. After 9/11,
That is exactly what I am driving at. Before 9/11, emergency procedures were
just not THAT tight. After 9/11, Bush put together Homeland Security and
put a huge amount of money and focus on improving security and emergency
response for airline incidents. Things went exceptionally smoothly in part
BDS is killing your brain, get some medication.
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Gruss wrote:
>
> Thus comparatively, if Obama goes 2 years with no successful homeland
> attack, then he's beat Bush.
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As an interesting point about the Japanese attack on Oregon, the man
that bombed the coast returned in 1962 to officially surrender to the
Mayor of the town. Gave him his 400 year old Samurai sword in offer of
peace.
http://www.oregon.com/history/hm/japanese_attack.cfm
Japan also launched a numbe
col.
>> >
>> > Have you seen the pilot's resume?
>> >
>> > http://safetyreliability.com/profiles
>> >
>> > Hmm.. think he knew what he was doing?
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Gruss Gott [mailto
> gg wrote:
> In other words, why did the attack happen in the first place? It a
> failure of our government to function effectively to prevent it.
I'll segue into the a/c crash for a moment.
Likely the pilot and co-pilot are heroes for their supreme calm under
pressure and executing a perfect l
> Michael wrote:
>> No attacks on US soil since 9/11.
>
That's a stupid point for 2 reason which clearly the people repeating
it don't get:
1.) There no way of knowing if anyone even tried another 9/11.
Literally they *probably* did not. But more importantly ...
2.) The flip of that statement i
>I understand the historical significance and if we were not in the middle of
>an economic mess I would probably be asking why we are not turning it up a
>notch because of the significance. But desperate times call for desperate
>measures and maybe, just maybe we could have forgone the pomp and
>c
To be even more of a nit picker, you're incorrect. Germany in the First World
War did attack American territory (both submarine attacks and landing
saboteurs). In the 2nd World War Germany landed saboteurs on Long Island, while
Japan occupied US territory - the Aleutians (part of Alaska) and als
http://safetyreliability.com/profiles
> >
> > Hmm.. think he knew what he was doing?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 6:43 PM
> > To: cf-community
> > Subject: Re: Does Bush deserve
com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 6:43 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Does Bush deserve credit for ny rescue?
>
>> RoMunn wrote:
>> He got the blaame for katrina. so does he get the credit for the fact
>> that no one died in the crash in the hudson
> No attacks on US soil since 9/11.
9/11 was the first attack on the US homeland in history (save for when
Canada/Britain burned down your white house in 1814.) I'd wager a guess that
9/11 was years and years in the planning. So to play devil's advocate here,
we have no way of knowing if Bush's re
> Can't we also blame Clinton for all of these?
Sure, if you're a total idiot you can.
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Iraq and terrorism are under control, as much as any US President can
control them. No attacks on US soil since 9/11. Iraq is far better off than
it was before the surge, so that's two off the list and Obama hasn't even
taken office. He needs to keep those two under control, make progress where
pos
> Sam wrote:
> Can't we also blame Clinton for all of these?
>
Neo-cons and Bush are about blame and spin.
I hired Obama to make immediate and measurable progress against the
massive national leadership disaster that is Bush.
If Obama can't do it then let's fire him and get Romney. If Romney
ca
> gg wrote:
> Obama, get them under control or get out of the way.
>
In fact, if Obama isn't making measurable progress with the economy in
2 years he should resign.
Of the candidates that ran for office I'd say the next best guy to
take a shot would be Romney.
~~
Can't we also blame Clinton for all of these?
> Iraq
> Afghanistan
> Bin Laden
> Pakistan
> Terrorism
> Economy
> Environment
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Charlie Griefer
wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
>> I realized the other day that Obama is in a perfect p
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> I realized the other day that Obama is in a perfect poition. If anythgin
> he
> tries to do fails, it can be blamed on Bush, and the zealots will follow
> right in line.
>
To be fair, plenty of Bush supported blame Clinton for certain failu
> Strohs wrote:
> I realized the other day that Obama is in a perfect poition. If anythgin he
> tries to do fails, it can be blamed on Bush
Personally I hired Obama to fix Bush's multiples messes. If he can't
do that then he's failed.
Are the the challenges massive? Yup. Unfair? Sure, but li
Weird huh? And it was published in the WaPo, where 100 reporters
cheered for Obama yesterday or the day before.
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Michael Grant [Modus IS]
wrote:
> It's going to take some heavy duty industrial solvent to remove this author
> from GWB's dick.
> This is easilly one o
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>> Jake wrote:
>> Hmm.. think he knew what he was doing?
>>
>
> Still I think you have to remember that they don't train water
> landings - how could you right?
I think a lot of it is done through instrumentation. =]
You know, in Korea, one of t
jam.
-Original Message-
From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 4:33 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Does Bush deserve credit for ny rescue?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/15/AR2009011503
149.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
Except f
Good management is going with what works.
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>> Sam wrote:
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/15/AR2009011503149.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
>>
>
> See what I'm talking about Scott?
>
> Sam still thinks good management is a
> JJ wrote:
> Obama's a divorced lesbian?
>
> Wow! That's news.
>
Not really. He's also Muslim, a terrorist, the most liberal senator,
not a US citizen, an alien, likes fruit, and once purchased a chinese
bootleg of Spider Man.
He's everything, Jerry, everything you want him to be. AND MORE!
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Obama's a divorced lesbian?
Wow! That's news.
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> I voted O not because he's a D, not because he's an L,
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> Sam wrote:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/15/AR2009011503149.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
>
See what I'm talking about Scott?
Sam still thinks good management is a matter of opinion.
I don't think there's a worse idea legacy a President can leave than that.
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Except for Richard Nixon, no president since Harry Truman has left
office more unloved than George W. Bush. Truman's rehabilitation took
decades. Bush's will come sooner. Indeed, it has already b
> Stroz wrote:
> I fully agree. I just thnk we disagree with what is actually his fault.
>
That's the problem: competent management is NOT a matter of opinion.
The dude fecked up the country period; Skilling fecked up ENRON, Bush
fecked up the USA. Bad management does that. I have little tolera
I understand the historical significance and if we were not in the middle of
an economic mess I would probably be asking why we are not turning it up a
notch because of the significance. But desperate times call for desperate
measures and maybe, just maybe we could have forgone the pomp and
circum
No,
Obama gets credit for the rescue.
The feeling of hope caused the pilot to _want_ to save everyone
The idea of working together (regardless of party) allowed the passengers to
cooperate and let the women and children and old folk off first.
The thought of people being as important as corporati
> And an Inauguration that costs more than any other...
Well like him or not, he is the first black President of the United States.
Whether you're on the left or the right that's a bloody big step forward for
America. I say let you Yanks have a party, a friggin' BIG one! Because once
it's over
I fully agree. I just thnk we disagree with what is actually his fault.
I realized the other day that Obama is in a perfect poition. If anythgin he
tries to do fails, it can be blamed on Bush, and the zealots will follow
right in line.
I know it's a ha-ha thing with the it's-Bush's-fault but IM
And an Inauguration that costs more than any other...
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> > Scott wrote:
> > We cannot give him credit for the fact no one died because its obvious
> that
> > he did something that caused the birds to be there in the first place.
> >
>
> I know it
> Scott wrote:
> We cannot give him credit for the fact no one died because its obvious that
> he did something that caused the birds to be there in the first place.
>
I know it's a ha-ha thing with the it's-Bush's-fault but IMO anyone
who doesn't believe in holding our leaders accountable shouldn
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-01-15-plane-crash-hudson_N.htm?csp=34
Landing a large jet on water is highly unusual, but it's something
pilots train for, says Capt. Rory Kay, safety chief for the Air Line
Pilots Association, who flew a simulated flight into a water landing
during a train
Holy cow it's true.
While most can agree that Bush didn't cause global warming, he hasn't done
anything to curtail it. Because it's warmer, birds aren't flying south for
the winter. Really...why go thru all that effort if you don't have to?
More birds in NY means more birds being sucked into pla
We cannot give him credit for the fact no one died because its obvious that
he did something that caused the birds to be there in the first place.
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
> He got the blaame for katrina. so does he get the credit for the fact
> that no one died in th
> Jake wrote:
> According to Boeing and Airbus, they have claimed for years that it is
> possible for planes to land on water without breaking up.
>
A 'bus just did!
However if you've ever seen an a/c stripped down to the airframe and
then rebuilt it's ... kinda scary.
Aluminum structure, a litt
According to Boeing and Airbus, they have claimed for years that it is
possible for planes to land on water without breaking up.
-Original Message-
From: G Money [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:43 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Does Bush deserve credit for
> Jake wrote:
> My only question now, did the charge the passengers for using the life vest
> and seat cushions?
>
HA! I keep thinking of Airplane where Lesley Nielson (?) kept opening
the cockpit door, even after they landed, and say, "I just want to
wish you good luck."
~~~
nt: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:29 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Does Bush deserve credit for ny rescue?
> Jake wrote:
> Hmm.. think he knew what he was doing?
>
Still I think you have to remember that they don't train water
landings - how could you right?
The piloting job was amazing, bu
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> Still I think you have to remember that they don't train water
> landings - how could you right?
>
I sure thought they did. (Trying to confirm this with pops, but he's not
answering the phone). Those simulators are pretty sophisticated...i'm
> Jake wrote:
> Hmm.. think he knew what he was doing?
>
Still I think you have to remember that they don't train water
landings - how could you right?
The piloting job was amazing, but then to ensure the a/c was clear of
all passengers before exiting himself ... wow.
The pilot and co-pilot were
knew what he was doing?
-Original Message-
From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 6:43 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Does Bush deserve credit for ny rescue?
> RoMunn wrote:
> He got the blaame for katrina. so does he get the credit fo
G Money wrote:
> I guess that's probably true.which makes it kind of amazing that this
> doesn't happen more often. Geese are all frickin' over the place around
> here.
I do know that Airports use quite a bit of science and technology, some
simple some inventive, to strongly encourage birds t
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Ian Skinner wrote:
> Well that might have something to do with the physics, according to this
> morning radio news blurb, that an average collision with a 12 pound bird
> at take off speeds is the equivalent a 1000 pound weight dropped from a
> 10 foot height. Su
maybe like a few cats?
-Original message-
From: G Money gm0n3...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:32:34 -0500
To: cf-community cf-community@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: Does Bush deserve credit for ny rescue?
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> &
G Money wrote:
>
> It boggles my mind that they can't put something in front of the engines to
> protect against this.?
Well that might have something to do with the physics, according to this
morning radio news blurb, that an average collision with a 12 pound bird
at take off speeds is the
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> - should they prove to not have failed in notifying the pilot of the birds
>
It boggles my mind that they can't put something in front of the engines to
protect against this.?
--
And the Anzio bridgehead was held for the price
Of a few h
> RoMunn wrote:
> He got the blaame for katrina. so does he get the credit for the fact
> that no one died in the crash in the hudson?
>
No real full comparative analysis can be done since Katrina was a
national disaster who's entire response mechanism is built into the
government.
In the case o
He got the blaame for katrina. so does he get the credit for the fact
that no one died in the crash in the hudson?
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