What the arab world thinks of her (nothing new from them).
http://www.pmw.org.il/cartoonphoto-War%20in%20Iraq.html
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Oh yah, we're so proud of our local radio host. Ack.
The buzz here is that his ratings were flagging, and he's a supposed
"shock jock" and he just did it to get media attention. Voila! He got
media attention.
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:51:31 -0500, Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How abo
Tecate. Couldnt remember when I wtote the post but looked it up later
with a search on that string.
Was thinking a little about this... people who have stereotypes don't
always know that they have them; and sometimes people are reacting to
stereotypes they have run into in the past. For example, I
What was the name of the beer company?
> "Finally, a cold Latina."
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I think some people are easily offended. On the other hand I think
that it is wise to be cautious in making statements about groups to
which one does not oneself belong. For instance, around here there was
a big outcry about beer advertising billboards that said "Finally, a
cold Latina." The compan
Delta? I think that your friend got the symbol wrong. Its lamda that
is the symbol for lesbians. The only way I can figure out how she
thought Delta was a gay symbol is that the prink triangle is also a
gay pride symbol. In WW2 the nazis tried to exterminate the gay
population of Europe. Gays were
> Howie wrote:
> I'm frankly surprised that it's not more well known that calling
> an African American woman an "Aunt Jemima" is a racial remark.
There are no absolutes in racist remarks except: "All black women are
incapable of doing anything but staying in the kitchen." Everything
else is just
I'm frankly surprised that it's not more well known that calling an African
American woman an "Aunt Jemima" is a racial remark. A simple google search
illustrates this:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=aunt+jemima+racism
~
> Kevin wrote:
> So in calling Dr. Rice an Aunt Jemima,
> he was saying that she was a slave who had gotten above herself and
> she should go back to the kitchen where she belongs.
I don't see this as any different from calling someone an "Alice" in
reference to Alice from the Brady Bunch. That's
Okay, very simply the bottle is a figure of a black woman who, for
many, represents a house slave. For those people, it represents a time
when it was appropriate to keep slaves and to call someone an "Aunt
Jemima" is to say that she has risen above her proper position in life
which is to be a slave
> Angel wrote:
>
> I'm starting to think that there may be certain levels of racism here,
> but not necessarily on the part of the artists or the images involved.
I agree! Racism is not when you point out that someone has lighter or
darker skin than you; it's when you say everyone with red hair a
What the heck is wrong with Aunt Jemima???
That is like saying something is wrong with the personification of Mabel's
Kethcup and other cooking stuff (Local).
To my knowledge, the image represents and is stereotypical of how good the food
of that culture tastes. Certainly Mabel's stuff is
spicy,
that one I can answer. I would consider it mostly likely a derogatory
remark and yeah, possibly racist. Interestingly it makes a difference
in my mind whether the speaker is white.
Maybe it's analogous to the n word being all over rap songs but
constituting a grievous insult coming from a white. A
It just makes me wonder if she were white and someone said she looked
like Betty Crocker, if that would be considered racist or just in poor
taste.
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:02:18 -0700, dana tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes.
>
> I am not comfortable, as a white woman originally from anothe
Yes.
I am not comfortable, as a white woman originally from another
country, with saying whether certain images are or are not racist. I
*think* however from what I have seen that the problem with Aunt
Jemima was that it said that the place of black women was in the
kitchen, and that there was no
thie image of Aunt Jemima was very stereotypical, It was rather
contemptuous at least.
larry
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:03:38 -0600, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Larry wrote:
> > Its very much like the stereotype Uncle Tom. Its a commercial brand
> > that used to depict a fairly stereo
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:51:31 -0500, Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How about this?
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6530925
See! Madison isn't just filled with bleeding heart, overly PC liberals
that people think it is.
-Kevin
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> Larry wrote:
> Its very much like the stereotype Uncle Tom. Its a commercial brand
> that used to depict a fairly stereotypical black woman.
But what's racist? Is he saying that all black women are symbols of
successful branding? Or all black women make good pancakes? Or all
black women like
Its very much like the stereotype Uncle Tom. Its a commercial brand
that used to depict a fairly stereotypical black woman.
larry
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:19:37 -0600, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Howie wrote:
> > How about this?
> >
> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6530925
> >
>
> I
Hey who ever said that commercial morning radio people are not asses.
larry
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:51:31 -0500, Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How about this?
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6530925
>
>
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> Howie wrote:
> How about this?
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6530925
>
I have no idea what calling Ms. Rice "Aunt Jemima" means although for
some reason I can't think of that without laughing because she does
kind of look like Aunt Jemima. It sounds racist, but I can't think of
how; that is
How about this?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6530925
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To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Dr. and future Secretary Rice
> Russel wrote:
>
> HOWEVER, caricatures based on race primarily and any other attribute
> secondarily is racist. It is not politically correct to be offended
by
> racism, it is human.
> Kevin wrote:
> But hey, I'm sensitive about certain things too.
>
Humans discriminate because that's what's in our genes - "My team is
good, yours sucks." Obviously we look to visual cues to tell us who's
on our team, but blind people can be racist too.
For example, a blind guy may think poor
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:15:40 -0600, Russel Madere
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Since Danziger took it off his site, here is an archive.
> http://mhking.mu.nu/archives/049887.php
Yeah, that's just rude.
> Pat Oliphant
> http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/uclickcomics/cx_po_uc/latest
I think
Interesting. You can get into deep water with this rather quickly. I
have not seen Gone with the Wind, but I gather that the portrayal of
the slave woman was stereotypical if not racist, hmm? So the actress
that played the role participated in this, making her a kind of
traitor I guess? Perhaps the
> Russel wrote:
>
> HOWEVER, caricatures based on race primarily and any other attribute
> secondarily is racist. It is not politically correct to be offended by
> racism, it is human.
All caricatures are racist! Because they're exaggerations of how we
look and our looks are based on race.
~~
white trash.
Then I was pretty offended.
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From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 6:39 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Dr. and future Secretary Rice
Hmm. When I was in Dayton I used to know someone from deep deep
Kentucky. My son
Gruss Gott wrote:
>Then you discriminate based on race; that can be offensive. Isn't
>that the definition of racist?
>
>For example, some women get offended when you open the door for them.
>Should we stop opening doors for women because it offends some women?
>
>
I am not discriminating on ra
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[snip]
Gruss Gott wrote:
>Who knows how long that will be around, however, if a majority of
>people start making arguments like yours.
>
>
My only argument is (and has been) that this cartoon IS offensive (if
only to some). No w
ffended by
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From: G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 9:05 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Dr. and future Secretary Rice
I agree with y
Hmm that describes one of the Java programmers here. I've usually just
ignore him.
larry
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:18:43 -0600, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Everything offends someone. Coldfusion offends people, and I'm being
> very serious. They're Java bigots (obvious discussion the
> Chris Stoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ms. Rice is not white, moot issue. However, white people have never been
> regarded as Monkey's in a derogatory manner, therefore her being white
> would not have the same implication.
Then you discriminate based on race; that can be offensive. Isn't
th
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From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 8:22 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Dr. and future Secretary Rice
I don't see anything wrong with the second cartoon.
It's called a Caricature.
I suppose white people should be upset at the Bush drawi
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From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 6:02 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Dr. and future Secretary Rice
> Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's a direct parody of Prissy from Gone with the Wind: "I don&#
I agree with you, people WILL be offended, and those are the PC'ers run
amok, not you.
>
> I believe this is the first time in my life I have ever been referred to
> as being PC. I'm not saying the hypothetical guy who drew this
> hypothetical cartoon should be fired, or castrated, or shipped t
future Secretary Rice
[snip]
> I think without the obvious racial stereotyping in the Oliphant
> cartoon (the exaggerated lips and teeth), he could have made the point
> that Rice is Bush's parrot in a less...umm...offensive way, too.
That's caricature like what you'd get at
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From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 7:19 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Dr. and future Secretary Rice
How is the Pat Oliphant cartoon (pirate ship) in any way racist?
Jerry
Jerry Johnson
Web Developer
Dolan Media Company
>>>
G wrote:
>This is PC paranoia run amok.
>
>I'm reminded of the Howard Cosell incident. Howard, from every description
>the least bigotted person you could ever meet, had his career affectively
>ruined by this same sort of thinking.
>
>
I believe this is the first time in my life I have ever been
This is PC paranoia run amok.
I'm reminded of the Howard Cosell incident. Howard, from every description
the least bigotted person you could ever meet, had his career affectively
ruined by this same sort of thinking.
>
> Absolutely. Monkeys, while being very intelligent compared to other
> ani
Gruss Gott wrote:
>What if the artist had 3 versions of Ms. Rice like the "see no evil
>..." monkeys? Would that be racist because someone might say the
>artist is comparing Ms. Rice to a monkey?
>
Absolutely. Monkeys, while being very intelligent compared to other
animals, are not on par wi
I don't think it's racist. It's clearly meant to imply that Rice will steer us
farther to the right (starboard) than when Powell was Secretary of State.
--- On Thursday, November 18, 2004 8:18 AM, Jerry Johnson scribed: ---
>
> How is the Pat Oliphant cartoon (pirate ship) in any way racist?
>
> Chris wrote:
> sure as hell isn't the first impression of most people viewing
> it (as judged by the inflammatory reaction) and that is why this is
> offensive.
What if the artist had 3 versions of Ms. Rice like the "see no evil
..." monkeys? Would that be racist because someone might say the
a
How is the Pat Oliphant cartoon (pirate ship) in any way racist?
Jerry
Jerry Johnson
Web Developer
Dolan Media Company
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/17/04 05:15PM >>>
Since Danziger took it off his site, here is an archive.
http://mhking.mu.nu/archives/049887.php
Pat Oliphant
http://news.yahoo.com/
Gruss Gott wrote:
>Why is it racist to suggest the Ms. Rice is a southern black women playing
>dumb?
>
Are you really serious or are you just trying to prove your intelligence
by debating an indefensible situation? In both movies the "southern
black woman" was an uneducated slave woman who at
I don't see anything wrong with the second cartoon.
It's called a Caricature.
I suppose white people should be upset at the Bush drawing as well.
Thin lips, sallow face, pointy nose,mad-cap Pirate attitude...typical white boy.
?
-Gel
~~~
> Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's a direct parody of Prissy from Gone with the Wind: "I don't
> knows nothing 'bout birthing no babies."
Why is it racist to suggest the Ms. Rice is a southern black women playing dumb?
~~~
Maureen! How ya been?
Dana
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:53:54 -0500, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On the other hand, it's an interesting interpretation. I think she
> > *is* a smart woman who plays dumb. But that "I knows"
>
> It's a direct parody of Prissy from Gone with the Wind: "I don'
Perhaps you are right. You make a good case. Since I haven't seen
either movie I should probably shut up Anyone else care to
comment?
Dana
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:50:10 -0600, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > But that "I knows"... you don't think it's a reference to race
> On the other hand, it's an interesting interpretation. I think she
> *is* a smart woman who plays dumb. But that "I knows"
It's a direct parody of Prissy from Gone with the Wind: "I don't
knows nothing 'bout birthing no babies."
> Dana wrote:
> But that "I knows"... you don't think it's a reference to race?
The comment is irony. Both Ms. Goldberg and Ms. Winfrey are smart
black women who played roles as dumb black women.
The artist is suggesting that Ms. Rice is doing the same, playing a
dumb person, because only a du
Hmm. When I was in Dayton I used to know someone from deep deep
Kentucky. My son cracked some hillbilly jokes, which he had picked up
at school, around the guy one or twice; and yes the guy was offended.
So just cause it is common doesn't mean it isn't offensive
?
On the other hand, it's an i
I was a big C&H fan...
ucomics.com will deliver old ones to you to you inbox every day.
It is free, and a nice way to start the morning!
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At 06:20 PM 11/17/2004, you wrote:
> > "Opus"
>
>compared to Bloom County though, it is much much suckage :-(
>
>I had very high hopes...alas...
>
>now if
> William wrote:
> been portrayed without the Gone with the Wind, or Color Purple
> references. (the line is paraphrased from "Gone" but the pose is all
> Whoopi in "Purple")
That's the joke! Both of those were ROLES where smart black women
played dumb black women. I don't that's racist, it's ir
> "Opus"
compared to Bloom County though, it is much much suckage :-(
I had very high hopes...alas...
now if only Calvin and Hobbes would stage a comeback!
Oh Watterson, Watterson, wherefore art thou, Watterson?
:-)
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> William wrote:
>
> Gone with the Wind, or Color Purple references. (the line is paraphrased from
> "Gone" but the pose is all Whoopi in "Purple")
Wow, are you sure he wasn't referencing David Duke? I think this was
a simple reference to southern idiots and it was meant to be
contrasted with her
and the links?
> Has anyone seen the racist, liberal cartoons about Dr. Rice's nomination
> as Secretary of State?
>
> I saw 2 and was infuriated.
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> Dana wrote:
> what do other people think?
Number 1:
---
She's from the South, I think, so it's probably an insult to the
South, not blacks. For example, it's common in some circles to hum
dueling banjos at the sight of some people, or joke about Kentucky
hill people marrying their c
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From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 4:56 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Dr. and future Secretary Rice
You know that Berkley Breathed has a comic currently being published
called
&
2004 5:53 PM
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Subject: RE: Dr. and future Secretary Rice
I agree.
Political parody is a high art form to me. While I may disagree with
the message I still love the may many present their opinions. Almost
any political weakness, real or imagined, is fair game. Race and faith
are not
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From: William Bowen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 4:37 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Dr. and future Secretary Rice
> Since Danziger took it off his site, here is an archive.
> http://mhking.mu.nu/archives/049887.php
> Pat
in fact, I missed the whole parrot thing. I am slinking off now...
Dana
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:47:13 -0700, dana tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ah, hadn't thought about lips. But her teeth... um... it's what *I*
> notice about her...
>
>
>
> Dana
>
> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:36:52 -0800,
ah, hadn't thought about lips. But her teeth... um... it's what *I*
notice about her...
Dana
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:36:52 -0800, William Bowen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Since Danziger took it off his site, here is an archive.
> > http://mhking.mu.nu/archives/049887.php
>
> > Pat Oliphant
>
> Since Danziger took it off his site, here is an archive.
> http://mhking.mu.nu/archives/049887.php
> Pat Oliphant
> http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/uclickcomics/cx_po_uc/latest
Well sir, I can surely see why one would and should take offense. I did.
Interesting that the message of the
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> The first one did need to be pulled. It does
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The first one did need to be pulled. It does make reference to her
race in a derogatory manner.
The second
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> Nobody here is a liberal - you'll have to fill us in.
I'd just like to have some links so that I can see for myself the
"rac
Still haven't seen the cartoons.
I'd Google 'em but I want to make sure i see the same ones.
> nuh uh nobody I know that calls themseves a liberal would agree with
> the pre-emption policy. The changes to the Education department do
> seem to reflect the worst of liberalism, but Bush's record on
> I should have said Democratic pundits. My problem is the racial
> attacks.
Which are?
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> Nobody here is a liberal - you'll have to fill us in.
I'd just like to have some links so that I can see for myself the
"racist" "liberal" slander of the person of Dr. Rice.
links anyone?
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nuh uh nobody I know that calls themseves a liberal would agree with
the pre-emption policy. The changes to the Education department do
seem to reflect the worst of liberalism, but Bush's record on the
environment and civil rights is anything but liberal. I am not sure
about free trade but since De
> Michael wrote:
> Define nobody and define liberal. I'm sure many of us here have at least one
> liberal idea and if I had a solid idea of what liberal was, I could say if I
> was one.
It was a jocular reference to that new swear word "liberal". But,
since you asked, here's my comparison chart:
acks.
>
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> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 3:33 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subjec
Subject: RE: Dr. and future Secretary Rice
Define nobody and define liberal. I'm sure many of us here have at least
one
liberal idea and if I had a solid idea of what liberal was, I could say
if I
was one.
> > Russel wrote:
> > Has anyone seen the racist, liberal cartoons
Define nobody and define liberal. I'm sure many of us here have at least one
liberal idea and if I had a solid idea of what liberal was, I could say if I
was one.
> > Russel wrote:
> > Has anyone seen the racist, liberal cartoons about Dr. Rice's nomination
> > as Secretary of State?
>
> Nobody
> Russel wrote:
> Has anyone seen the racist, liberal cartoons about Dr. Rice's nomination
> as Secretary of State?
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