In which case I would direct you to my earlier point that alot of
people tend to think that there can only by one single solution.
That's not the case. There are plenty of drawbacks to Electric as
well. All economically feasable options should be persued and the
best option(s) will shake out.
-C
> 1) Reports comparing Ethanol production efficiency to Petrol are
> Apples vs Oranges.
E85 == fruit salad.
--Ben
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> Yes. Though eventually one viewpoint typically wins out over
> the other.
As I am sure it will in this case too, eventually...
> If you'd read the article you would have seen that both
> Ethanol and Petrol production are currently net loss forms of
> energy. They BOTH require more energy t
> Cam wrote:
> They BOTH
> require more energy to refine than they actually output when used.
> The argument is mainly which loses more...
>
The real problem with energy is storing and transferring it. So, to
your earlier point, it's no problem if it takes 2kWh of solar energy
to be able to store
James, I see that you didn't read the article...
On 6/12/06, James Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 1) Reports comparing Ethanol production efficiency to Petrol
> > are Apples vs Oranges.
>
> Depends, if you are comparing the use of ethanol in an internal combustion
> engine with the use of p
> For example, it's very conceivable that combinations of
> ethanol, solar, wind, and other renewable energy sources can
> be the only energy used in ethanol creation. In that case,
> even if you use more energy than ethanol contains, it doesn't
> matter because you're not using fossil fuels.
> Smith, James Smith wrote:
> Depends, if you are comparing the use of ethanol in an internal combustion
> engine with the use of petrol in an internal combustion engine and the
> relative procedures used to extract, refine and produce these two fules then
> the comparison can be drawn very fairly.
> 1) Reports comparing Ethanol production efficiency to Petrol
> are Apples vs Oranges.
Depends, if you are comparing the use of ethanol in an internal combustion
engine with the use of petrol in an internal combustion engine and the
relative procedures used to extract, refine and produce these t
> bZappd wrote:
> Some forms are just used cooking oil, usually called SVO fuel.
> Biodiesel is usually processed with methanol and lye though that
> remove the free fatty acids.
>
Uuuaaa fatty acids ...
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Some forms are just used cooking oil, usually called SVO fuel.
Biodiesel is usually processed with methanol and lye though that
remove the free fatty acids.
On 6/9/06, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Isn't it just cooking oil? I eat it all the time.
> How much energy does it take to get the oil o
> Cam wrote:
> Biodiesel is also very promising. I think alot of folks fail to
> realise that there doesn't have to be just one solution, that there
> can be several different solutions. Some are better in certain ways,
> others better in other ways.
>
I heard a debate on this go a funny directi
Isn't it just cooking oil? I eat it all the time.
How much energy does it take to get the oil out of corn?
On 6/9/06, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
> so far the only downside has been that I've had to replace my fuel
> filter more often since the biodiesel cleans out the gunk that
> petro-diesel leave
Well, if the island had a deep fryer and a supply of potatoes you'd be set...
--- On Friday, June 09, 2006 3:40 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox scribed: ---
>
> Not that I want to be drinking BD anytime
> soon, but, if I was stuck on a deserted island with a full tank of
> biodiesel :)
>
>
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> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Ethanol: More Or Less Efficient?
>
> Biodiesel comes in and trumps them all!
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No phone can take your place
You know what I mean
We have the same intrigue
As a court of kings
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so far the only downside has been that I've had to replace my fuel
filter more often since the biodiesel cleans out the gunk that
petro-diesel leaves behind.
Another interesting thing I read is that supposedly it's 1/10 as toxic
to your body as table salt. Not that I want to be drinking BD anyti
Yeah, but it smells like french fries... I'd rather smell like a drunk.
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From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Ethanol: More Or Less Efficient?
Biodiesel comes in and trumps them all!
Biodiesel is also very promising. I think alot of folks fail to
realise that there doesn't have to be just one solution, that there
can be several different solutions. Some are better in certain ways,
others better in other ways.
-Cameron
On 6/9/06, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
And, your car emits a pleasant french fry smell :)
--- On Friday, June 09, 2006 2:10 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox scribed: ---
>
> Biodiesel comes in and trumps them all!
>
>
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> Cam wrote:
> Winner - Ethanol!
>
Ethanol wins for a few other reasons too, IMO:
1.) No change in distribution network (petrol stations).
2.) Little to no change in engine design (many are already dual fuel).
3.) Little consumer technology for vendors. People know how to fill
up ethanol and so
Biodiesel comes in and trumps them all!
On 6/9/06, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So:
>
> 1) Reports comparing Ethanol production efficiency to Petrol are
> Apples vs Oranges.
> 2) Even those reports are conflicting, depending on who you listen to.
> 3) No matter what the reports
So:
1) Reports comparing Ethanol production efficiency to Petrol are
Apples vs Oranges.
2) Even those reports are conflicting, depending on who you listen to.
3) No matter what the reports say, the process of producing Ethanol is
destined to become more efficient one way or another, while Petrol
p
THE NUMBERS GUY
By CARL BIALIK
Digging Into the Ethanol Debate
June 9, 2006
President Bush announced in his State of the Union address in January
that he backed funding for research into producing ethanol from corn
and other farm products, with the goal of making a viable fuel
alternative to gas
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