Re: House rejects Bailout

> Jake wrote: > There should be one, and only one provision in the bill. What to do with > the bad mortgages to stop the waves of foreclosures? Fix this problem and > banks will start lending again. > Exactly. If people keep losing their houses it continues to drive down prices which continues t

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, and tax break later. But, I do not expect Congress to understand this. -Original Message- From: G Money [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 5:31 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: House rejects Bailout I think the bailout still only got support from 60% of the dems

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Yep On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Still gives one person complete autonomy over 700 Billion dollars of > taxpayer's money doesn't it? > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most impor

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Still gives one person complete autonomy over 700 Billion dollars of taxpayer's money doesn't it? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/

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I think the bailout still only got support from 60% of the dems...not exactly a ringing endorsement. Now they've tacked on two, mostly useless, provisions to see if they can get the bill through tomorrow or friday: 1) Extend tax relief that was too expire and 2) Raise the insured amount of FDIC f

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and that is a positive. At least you are thinking about it. I'm a little disappointed in some of the stuff I am hearing from the dems, myself (are they so used to being called the big spending party that they are for spending for the sake of spending?). But yes, interesting times... > Dunno who to

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No, I wanted to chuck Obama out for the FISA bill. As for the bailout, 3/5ths of the Oregon delegation voted no, 2/5ths voted yes. I have respect for representatives who came down on both sides of it. Overall, I'm tentatively glad it failed. I want to see something more thoughtful and creative come

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On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How do you reconcile that Obama is strongly in favor of passing the > bailout? > How does anyone against the bill reconcile the fact that the candidates are > both for it? > > So do you want to chuck Obama out, just like you

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How do you reconcile that Obama is strongly in favor of passing the bailout? How does anyone against the bill reconcile the fact that the candidates are both for it? So do you want to chuck Obama out, just like you want to chuck out everyone who voted for the plan? On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 8:11

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More geeky than nerdy, but yeah. I speed read so I have an advantage. Family member works for the media and frequently takes advantage of my speed-reading ability and accounting knowledge to give a quick summary of lengthy documents. On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr

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> gMoney wrote: > Yer fudging. The major factor in decreased violence is the surge.even > the insurgents have told us that. > Nope. Now I don't want to start the surge debate again, but here's what I do know: * As troops approach infinity violence shrinks to zero. The problem is, we didn't

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On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, and I don't mean to be a chicken little here, but you're > assuming that spending the money will have an effect. Well that's true. I didn't think the Surge would work, even at the modest goal of lessening violence. A

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*humph* nerd. ;-P 2008/9/30 Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I did. Read and provided a summary analysis for a couple of my clients. > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get t

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> gMoney wrote: > I'm sure the people that are still alive today in Iraq thanks to "the surge" > are pretty happy that we addressed the "symptom". What will the people who > are economically destroyed think about our refusal to address our own > symptoms? > Well, and I don't mean to be a chicken l

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I did. Read and provided a summary analysis for a couple of my clients. On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 7:12 AM, morgan l <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Has anyone actually read the bill ( > http://www.c-span.org/pdf/finance_bill_092808.pdf). > At 110 page

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hence my reference to this administration's questionable track record (the word "questionable" is being generous) On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > remember that the last couple of really urgent items of business that > the administration put through brought

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remember that the last couple of really urgent items of business that the administration put through brought us the patriot act and the war in iraq. On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:05 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>

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On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You forgot one option that seems to be being expressed by a fair number of > Democrats who voted against the bailout bill: They think that if they do > absolutely nothing, things will definitely go badly. But just because

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You forgot one option that seems to be being expressed by a fair number of Democrats who voted against the bailout bill: They think that if they do absolutely nothing, things will definitely go badly. But just because you have to do something does not mean that you should do the first thing that po

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No. And the scary thing is that I'm sure most of the people voting on it haven't read it in its entirety before voting either. 2008/9/30 morgan l <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Has anyone actually read the bill ( > http://www.c-span.org/pdf/finance_bill_092808.pdf)< > http://www.c-span.org/pdf/finance_bil

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Has anyone actually read the bill ( http://www.c-span.org/pdf/finance_bill_092808.pdf). At 110 pages, I couldn't get through it all. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the mos

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Interesting analogy. Yes, the surge only addressed the symptom, and it then relied on the Iraqi government to solve the real problem. However, addressing the symptom (violence) was certainly necessary to allow for the Iraqi government to solve the real problemwhich they didn't. In our case, c

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> gMoney wrote: > Then I guess you are more of a gambler than I am > The problem is that the bailout is the equivilent of "The Surge". Unfortunately Republicans have eliminated logic from that debate. But just as the The Surge only deals with the symptoms of the problem - doesn't actually so

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Yeah, that was definitely scary..I sure hope you (and everyone else) is right. On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ok. I do not think it will happen. But that bill is so toxic that not > passing it is still healthier. Notice that no alternatives at all have > be

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ok. I do not think it will happen. But that bill is so toxic that not passing it is still healthier. Notice that no alternatives at all have been explored. None. Notice that one guy gets to decided how to spend all of that money, where and how he chooses. Notice that the guy who gets to do this use

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On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am not sure it will happen. Then I guess you are more of a gambler than I am -- Every monkey needs alone time To eat bananas in the sunshine ~| Adobe®

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I am not sure it will happen. But the bailout would definitely be worse. Look, if you are going broke, do you borrow money to give it all to someone who says he will *think* about giving you a loan? If we have 700 billion dollars we should use it to address the problems in the economy, because the

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On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 7:34 AM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > yeah I got an email from Senator Domenici thanking me for my input and > letting me know he is retiring. Awesome eh? Heather Wilson didn't > reply and she voted for the package. > I have a serious question. If lending dries up, b

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yeah I got an email from Senator Domenici thanking me for my input and letting me know he is retiring. Awesome eh? Heather Wilson didn't reply and she voted for the package. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:33 PM, C. Hatton Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Dana wrote: >>> this is socialism for peo

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So the only question I have left is, which of the candidates is going to run away from this bill the fastest, and can either one or both of them escape the fallout? On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:31 PM, Dana wrote: > this is socialism for people who don't need socialism. It is robbing > Paul to pay Pe

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>> Dana wrote: >> this is socialism for people who don't need socialism. It is robbing >> Paul to pay Peter. It is fattening the goose by starving the milk cow. >> It is robbery plain and simple and there is no actual guarantee that >> the American public will benefit ONE LITTLE BIT. >> >> We shoul

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It's not often it happens, but we are in complete agreement. Dana wrote: > this is socialism for people who don't need socialism. It is robbing > Paul to pay Peter. It is fattening the goose by starving the milk cow. > It is robbery plain and simple and there is no actual guarantee that > the Amer

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this is socialism for people who don't need socialism. It is robbing Paul to pay Peter. It is fattening the goose by starving the milk cow. It is robbery plain and simple and there is no actual guarantee that the American public will benefit ONE LITTLE BIT. We should vote out every complacent assh

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um... voters have an anonymous vote. Not politicians :) On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh..I thought it was an anonymous vote. You can actually see which way > everyone voted? > Cool :) > > 2008/9/29 Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> For what its worth, he

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wow. It took me that long to figure out thta you were agreeing with me :) hehe good thing I *was* sitting down... On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 12:44 PM, C. Hatton Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> good > > Are you sitting down, Dana? > > > > > +1 > > ~~~

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> RoMunn wrote: > Bush Derangement Syndrome strikes again. > I'm certain that 1998-2008 will be one of the most studied periods in American history and I'm glad to have be part of it; even though it's interesting times. Babies being born on this very day, growing up outside of the contemporary da

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You actually want me to watch Jon Stewart and Bill Clinton. The eyes, they burn!!! On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Casey Dougall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Watch starting 10 minutes in... Clinton kinda shows a different side... I > can understand. There was a shortage of things to invest in s

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Clinton in the 1990s the pushed for Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae > to > > expand subprime lending to those that could not afford it? The root of > this > > entire mess... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Vivec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: M

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Bush Derangement Syndrome strikes again. You are talking about leadership- HA! John McCain tried to help and was chased out of town by Pelosi, Reid, and the entire media establishment. They wanted credit for the bailout, but instead they are going to get credit for their failure of leadership. S

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> RoMunn wrote: > Fannie and Freddie are the cause of this mess. ::sigh:: No. There are many "causes", many aggregating factors, many people in a position to influence prior to crisis. But only one person in a position to control prior to crisis and that, of course, is the head of our executive

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Fannie and Freddie are the cause of this mess. The massive expansion in sub-prime lending, starting in the 90's and continuing through this decade, are at the root of the chaos. Undoing Gramm-Leach-Biley would have changed nothing if Fannie and Freddie had continued to give loans to people who clea

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Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae to > expand subprime lending to those that could not afford it? The root of this > entire mess... > > -Original Message- > From: Vivec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 1:36 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re:

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, before we tackle CEO pay and bailing out shipyards. Yes, I said shipyards. They were part of the bill. -Original Message- From: Vivec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 4:07 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: House rejects Bailout realies? 0_0 you think its really

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On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:59 PM, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Did you suddenly realize you had blocked everyone on the list? I was trying to only block leprechauns, Santa Claus, and politicians who don't jump at any chance to fight over money and throw a temper tantrum. -Cameron

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Sweden had their own bailout recently. This..uhh...this sort of thing apparently happens at one point in time or other for economies. "It does to Sweden. The country was so far in the hole in 1992 — after years of imprudent regulation, short-sighted economic policy and the end of its property boo

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realies? 0_0 you think its really all going to crash down? 2008/9/29 Jacob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > It has.. September 30, 2008 marks day one of The Depression II. Wait until > the markets open in Asia and Europe... > ~| Adobe® C

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> Minor announcement, I removed the filter. > > Heh. Did you suddenly realize you had blocked everyone on the list? :-P -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable." - Carrie Fisher ~

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It has.. September 30, 2008 marks day one of The Depression II. Wait until the markets open in Asia and Europe... -Original Message- From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 3:39 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: House rejects Bailout And you know

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On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Seriously. Just for that I am adding you to my blocklist filter. > Minor announcement, I removed the filter. Heh. -Cameron ~| Adobe® ColdFusion®

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On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:42 PM, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > She ought to be stripped naked and run out of town on a > > rail. > > AI! > > my eyes! Seriously. Just for that I am adding you to my blocklist filter. -Cameron ~~

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> She ought to be stripped naked and run out of town on a > rail. AI! my eyes! s s s s *_* -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable." - Carrie Fisher ~| Adobe® ColdFus

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And you know what? Screw this bill, I'm tired of trying to explain to people why it matters. Let the economy go down in flames. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Robert wrote: > It's official- Nancy Pelosi is the worst Speaker in the history of the > House of Representatives. She ought to be stri

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It's official- Nancy Pelosi is the worst Speaker in the history of the House of Representatives. She ought to be stripped naked and run out of town on a rail. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Vivec wrote: > Excerpt from Pelosi speech: > > "[W]hen was the last time someone asked you for $700bn?

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Comparing today's meltdown with other financial crises http://news.wired.com/dynamic/stories/F/FINANCIAL_MELTDOWN?SITE=WIRE&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2008-09-29-15-07-56# ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most i

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Politicians have never had any qualms about spending tax payer money. They all probably want this bail out done with. However, it's an election year. They actually have to pretend to care about what the voters want. That's why the bail out went down in flames. ~

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unity Subject: Re: House rejects Bailout Excerpt from Pelosi speech: "[W]hen was the last time someone asked you for $700bn? It is a number that is staggering, but tells us only the costs of the Bush administration's failed economic policies - policies built on budgetary recklessness, on a

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It's called an exit plan... Oh wait.. nevermind... >One republican said that once government gets into Private business, they > will never get out and therefore on that point alone the bill should not be > passed. ~| Adobe® C

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Excerpt from Pelosi speech: "[W]hen was the last time someone asked you for $700bn? It is a number that is staggering, but tells us only the costs of the Bush administration's failed economic policies — policies built on budgetary recklessness, on an anything-goes mentality, with no regulation, no

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Oh..I thought it was an anonymous vote. You can actually see which way everyone voted? Cool :) 2008/9/29 Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For what its worth, here's the roll call vote on the bill: > http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll674.xml > > Oregon's delegation split on it. 3 Democrats vo

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For what its worth, here's the roll call vote on the bill: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll674.xml Oregon's delegation split on it. 3 Democrats voting against it, 1 Dem and 1 Republican voting for it. Judah On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And he's absolu

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And he's absolutely right. This is REAL socialism. Vivec wrote: > The report on MSNBC said they need 11 members to vote Yea. > It seems that Democrats delivered more of their caucus for the vote than the > Republicans, so I guess there need to be a few more republicans swung around > for the vote

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On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The report on MSNBC said they need 11 members to vote Yea. > It seems that Democrats delivered more of their caucus for the vote than > the > Republicans, so I guess there need to be a few more republicans swung > around > for the

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The report on MSNBC said they need 11 members to vote Yea. It seems that Democrats delivered more of their caucus for the vote than the Republicans, so I guess there need to be a few more republicans swung around for the vote to pass. One republican said that once government gets into Private busi

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> Are you sitting down, Dana? > > +1 !_! lol +1 as well. holy crap! ^_^ -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable." - Carrie Fisher ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software

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Yep. Dana wrote: > good > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Sandra Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26884523/ >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important a

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good On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Sandra Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26884523/ > > > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the F

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ITS ALLL going down mn!!! That's IT! ABandon ship! Abandon ship!! Awwooga!!! Awooga! Women, Children and idiot savants first!!! *leaps over side* AIE!!! 2008/9/29 Sandra Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26884523/ > > > > > > ~~

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