Re: It's baaack....

2012-04-06 Thread LRS Scout
Between the NDAA, Patriot Act and the National Defense Resources Preparedness executive order, I'm not sure those things are as far away as you seem to think. As a matter of fact 1 has happened (Katrina), 2 has happened (NSA warrantless wiretapping, NSA is mainly US military), 4 happened (Katrina

Re: It's baaack....

2012-04-06 Thread PT
I read it. It goes a long way to answer my original question. I wonder how many of those "I will NOT" are easy oaths to make because we have the luxury of not being put in any of those positions in the foreseeable future. When it really comes down to it, I expect few to actually follow them i

Re: It's baaack....

2012-04-06 Thread Judah McAuley
I read it all and appreciate it. Not entirely sure that I agree with every little piece, but good stuff to think upon. Thank you. Judah On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 11:27 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > tl;dr? > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusi

Re: It's baaack....

2012-04-06 Thread LRS Scout
tl;dr? 2012/4/6 LRS Scout > --- > > Oath of Enlistment > I, _, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the > Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and > domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that > I will

Re: It's baaack....

2012-04-06 Thread LRS Scout
--- Oath of Enlistment I, _, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the Un

Re: It's baaack....

2012-04-06 Thread Larry C. Lyons
It depends. There are very strict conditions where the military can be used in the US, including maintaining civil order, suppressing rebellion, natural disasters etc. But you are using the phrase illegal order in a very loose way. Illegal order if I remember correctly refers to an order from a su

Re: It's baaack....

2012-04-05 Thread LRS Scout
Hmmm, you must have missed the part where I said an illegal order. It would be illegal to order soldiers to violate the constitutional rights of citizens. I feel it should be illegal to use the military domestically for anything other than an invasion from an outside source. Posse comitatus cov

Re: It's baaack....

2012-04-05 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Then they are violating the UMCJ and should be dealt with. Refusing to obey a legal order strikes at the heart of military discipline. If they do not want to follow orders then those bozos should not be in the military. On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:25 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > It'll split. > > I've k

Re: It's baaack....

2012-04-05 Thread LRS Scout
It'll split. I've known guys in the Army who actually believed that their should be a military junta, and I've known oathkeeprs and others that wouldn't follow an illegal order. On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:39 PM, PT wrote: > > I have often wondered...when people have finally had enough and start

Re: It's baaack....

2012-04-05 Thread PT
I have often wondered...when people have finally had enough and start resisting, and the military eventually gets involved, who will the military side with? The government? The people? Whichever side lets them have their jollies? I hope I never find out, but some generation is probably goin

It's baaack....

2012-04-05 Thread Eric Roberts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya2TmSmbUQI ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-communit