Re: Market-Based, Deeply-Discounted Surgery for Cash, Payable in Advance

2012-04-09 Thread PT
I'll bet they are. Their priciest service: Penile Prosthesis $ 15,425.00 heh. On 4/9/2012 6:44 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > The Oklahoma Surgery Center is not charging based on outcomes but they are > charging prices that are 1/5 to 1/10 cheaper than hospitals for the same > procedu

Re: Market-Based, Deeply-Discounted Surgery for Cash, Payable in Advance

2012-04-09 Thread Jerry Barnes
" Get employers out of the middle, get the states out of the middle, pay based on outcomes. " The Oklahoma Surgery Center is not charging based on outcomes but they are charging prices that are 1/5 to 1/10 cheaper than hospitals for the same procedures. According to Dr. Smith, it is making a pro

Re: Market-Based, Deeply-Discounted Surgery for Cash, Payable in Advance

2012-04-09 Thread Jerry Barnes
" Alternatively a single payer system like Canada's makes the prisoner's dilemma not relevant here. It can come from the general tax base or require people to pay premiums and copays. the current system is so wasteful. Consider this, the largest hospital in Ontario has a 3 person office to handle

Re: Market-Based, Deeply-Discounted Surgery for Cash, Payable in Advance

2012-04-08 Thread Brian Thornton
This seems like what I propose in higher ed. Let parents start saving up now for kids and let it grow along with the foundations. On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > The health care cost dilemma has nothing to do with Obama or any president or > evil insurance companies or gre

Re: Market-Based, Deeply-Discounted Surgery for Cash, Payable in Advance

2012-04-08 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Alternatively a single payer system like Canada's makes the prisoner's dilemma not relevant here. It can come from the general tax base or require people to pay premiums and copays. the current system is so wasteful. Consider this, the largest hospital in Ontario has a 3 person office to handle in

Re: Market-Based, Deeply-Discounted Surgery for Cash, Payable in Advance

2012-04-08 Thread Gruss Gott
The health care cost dilemma has nothing to do with Obama or any president or evil insurance companies or greedy doctors or uneducated consumers or antiquated technology or any other boogie men. It's all of them combined. It's a market failure or "prisoners dilemma" thus Obamacare is largely

Re: Market-Based, Deeply-Discounted Surgery for Cash, Payable in Advance

2012-04-07 Thread Jerry Barnes
Here's another interesting entry in Dr. Smith's blog. Another “not making a profit” story A nurse with whom I am acquainted told me the following story this morning. A relative of hers was recently diagnosed with breast cancer and a course of chemotherapy was advised. She has a high deductible

Re: Market-Based, Deeply-Discounted Surgery for Cash, Payable in Advance

2012-04-07 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Free the healthcare industry from government over site and you see an escalation in deaths from poor medical care that would match or exceed any war we have ever fought." In the United States, was it like that before the government got involved in healthcare? J - Ninety percent of politicians

Re: Market-Based, Deeply-Discounted Surgery for Cash, Payable in Advance

2012-04-07 Thread Maureen
Free the healthcare industry from government over site and you see an escalation in deaths from poor medical care that would match or exceed any war we have ever fought. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > Free the healthcare industry from government red tape and we would see f

Market-Based, Deeply-Discounted Surgery for Cash, Payable in Advance

2012-04-07 Thread Jerry Barnes
I came across this write up today about the Oklahoma Surgery Center. Market-Based, Deeply-Discounted Surgery for Cash, Payable in Advance Below is a price schedule from the heroic Surgery Center of Oaklahoma. It's what an Obamacare free, non-government intrusive medical care industry