Re: Second study confirms faster than light neutrinos

2011-11-21 Thread PT
Well, they do have a wizard. That has to count for something, right? - "Because I can lie beautiful true things into existence ..." Neil Gaiman on Why I write. On 11/21/2011 8:57 AM, Sam wrote: > > We know the straw people exist, we just ignore their comments on > science because they don't

Re: Second study confirms faster than light neutrinos

2011-11-21 Thread Sam
We know the straw people exist, we just ignore their comments on science because they don't have brains. . On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:04 PM, PT wrote: > > Oh, they are out there. > > Straw people are especially interested in calling science into doubt. > They don't believe in science because sc

Re: Second study confirms faster than light neutrinos

2011-11-20 Thread PT
Oh, they are out there. Straw people are especially interested in calling science into doubt. They don't believe in science because science precludes the belief in people made of straw. On 11/20/2011 4:35 PM, Sam wrote: > > Who ever said science doesn't work? Real people or ones made of straw?

Re: Second study confirms faster than light neutrinos

2011-11-20 Thread Sam
Who ever said science doesn't work? Real people or ones made of straw? . On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 3:03 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > So I'm fascinated, but more by the people who claim that science doesn't work > because theories can be proven wrong. > > ~

Re: Second study confirms faster than light neutrinos

2011-11-19 Thread Gruss Gott
My favorite example is the car with a bb gun attached to it: * with the car stationary you fire a bb at a target 100' away. Let's say it takes 1 second to reach the target. * with the car moving at 50'/sec you fire a bb at the target after 1sec. To make it easy we'd all agree that the bb wil

Second study confirms faster than light neutrinos

2011-11-18 Thread Judah McAuley
The plot thickens as the proposed revised experiment yields the same results: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/second-experiment-confirms-faster-than-light-particles/2011/11/17/gIQAlRlTWN_story.html?wprss= They didn't mention the GPS relativity error factor that had been dis

Re: Neutrinos

2011-10-19 Thread denstar
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > data not facts. Also unless the alternative model is better at > explaining the data than the existing theory then why accept it? In > this case the GPS theory makes a lot of sense. Its suggesting that > there was a methodological flaw. It

Re: Neutrinos

2011-10-18 Thread Larry C. Lyons
data not facts. Also unless the alternative model is better at explaining the data than the existing theory then why accept it? In this case the GPS theory makes a lot of sense. Its suggesting that there was a methodological flaw. It also points out the utility of Sagan's rule - extraordinary clai

Re: Neutrinos

2011-10-18 Thread denstar
The scientific community has never resisted change. They're objective, yo! The issue is scientists can be dogmatic, and "true believers" too (sort of the flip of what you are saying, no?). There are no real "facts", right? And yet you'll hear learned individuals say such tripe as "you cannot g

Re: Neutrinos

2011-10-17 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Maybe but the issue is that despite all the massive amounts of evidence against it, the true believer dismisses such as a conspiracy or other some bit of crud. As for the sound barrier, that wasn't so much of a scientific one as an engineering effort. What was needed was the design of a wing that

Re: Neutrinos

2011-10-17 Thread denstar
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > If you remember what happened with palladium based fusion, there will > be some true believers who will try and push it in spite of the > contrary data. If you remember what happened with the Sound Barrier (why is it called a barrier agai

Re: Neutrinos

2011-10-15 Thread Larry C. Lyons
If you remember what happened with palladium based fusion, there will be some true believers who will try and push it in spite of the contrary data. On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > The biggest bummer is that now people will stop trying to figure out how it > could be pos

Re: Neutrinos

2011-10-14 Thread Gruss Gott
The biggest bummer is that now people will stop trying to figure out how it could be possible. On Oct 14, 2011, at 9:44 AM, "Larry C. Lyons" wrote: > > cool. thought it was measurement error. > > On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Cameron Childress > wrote: >> >> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at

RE: Neutrinos

2011-10-14 Thread Eric Roberts
...and it didn't even involve a Wesley Crusher joke... -Original Message- From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 9:00 AM To: cf-community Subject: Neutrinos http://sci-ence.org/comics/2011-10-07-neutrin

Re: Neutrinos

2011-10-14 Thread Larry C. Lyons
cool. thought it was measurement error. On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: >> http://sci-ence.org/comics/2011-10-07-neutrino.jpg > > Looks like they think they figured this one out...  "The relativistic > motion

Re: Neutrinos

2011-10-14 Thread Cameron Childress
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > http://sci-ence.org/comics/2011-10-07-neutrino.jpg Looks like they think they figured this one out... "The relativistic motion of clocks on board GPS satellites exactly accounts for the superluminal effect, says physicist" http://www.tec

Neutrinos

2011-10-14 Thread Larry C. Lyons
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