Re: Question about drones

2011-12-13 Thread Sam
Yeah right, we can't even track the guns we sold to the cartels in Mexico. But if we did do that it would work great until they found out and disabled our disabler. . On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 11:16 AM, GMoney wrote: > > WOuld it be possible to sell "smart bombs" to countries where the bombs > c

Re: Question about drones

2011-12-13 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Think of it, 500 to 1000 pounds of steel encased concrete hitting a target from 20,000 feet up is bound to have an impact. I think that at least it would create a bit of a notice. On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > Would this be the "Wile E. Coyote" bomb? > > whis

Re: Question about drones

2011-12-13 Thread Scott Stewart
Would this be the "Wile E. Coyote" bomb? whissstlesplat!!! poof.. On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Not sure about that, but I heard from a friend of mine in the Canadian > Armed Forces that during the Libyan conflict NATO was fitting JDAMS > system

Re: Question about drones

2011-12-13 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Not sure about that, but I heard from a friend of mine in the Canadian Armed Forces that during the Libyan conflict NATO was fitting JDAMS systems onto concrete practice bombs when attacking many targets in urban areas. The bombs hit with enough force to destroy a tank using kinetic kills, but wit

Re: Question about drones

2011-12-13 Thread GMoney
WOuld it be possible to sell "smart bombs" to countries where the bombs could be disarmed remotely? I know that the chips are used to guide the bomb to it's target, but could they be modified to also disengage the firing mechanism somehow so that the bombs would just bounce harmlessly to the groun

Re: Question about drones

2011-12-13 Thread Medic
"Dude. You're getting a Dell." On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > many of them were from the US. > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:43 AM, GMoney wrote: > > > > Really??? WHere were the computers imported from? > > > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Larry C. Lyons >wrot

Re: Question about drones

2011-12-13 Thread Scott Stewart
IBM had back doors into all of their mainframe systems throughout the 70's and 80's (read: Cold War), supposedly so IBM technicians could bypass "locked" systems. On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > many of them were from the US. > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:43 AM, GMon

Re: Question about drones

2011-12-13 Thread Cameron Childress
I've heard that many of these were planted in printers. Anything worth printing out was worth knowing about. -Cameron On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Its been done before, in the first gulf war a lot of the imported > iraqi computers and other equipment had some "bu

Re: Question about drones

2011-12-13 Thread GMoney
Wouldn't we have shipped those to Iraq prior to 1990.perhaps in the late 70's or 80's when we were (supposedly) aiding them in their fight against Iran? On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > many of them were from the US. > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:43 AM, GMoney wro

Re: Question about drones

2011-12-13 Thread Larry C. Lyons
many of them were from the US. On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:43 AM, GMoney wrote: > > Really??? WHere were the computers imported from? > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > >> >> Its been done before, in the first gulf war a lot of the imported >> iraqi computers and other e

Re: Question about drones

2011-12-13 Thread GMoney
Really??? WHere were the computers imported from? On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Its been done before, in the first gulf war a lot of the imported > iraqi computers and other equipment had some "bugs" purposely > installed by the CIA an NSA that helped to cripple the

Re: Question about drones

2011-12-13 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Its been done before, in the first gulf war a lot of the imported iraqi computers and other equipment had some "bugs" purposely installed by the CIA an NSA that helped to cripple the Iraqi air defense in the initial attacks. On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Ras Tafari wrote: > > lol, yah, it co

Re: Question about drones

2011-12-13 Thread Ras Tafari
lol, yah, it could TOTALLY be a plant that helps us get something they arent even close to expecting. hahahahaha On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:31 AM, GMoney wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 8:10 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > >> >> Of course it could be part of a very perverse idea -  "lose" as dro

Re: Question about drones

2011-12-13 Thread GMoney
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 8:10 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Of course it could be part of a very perverse idea - "lose" as drone > with tech that's not only old, but containing some other features that > may sabotage the iranian efforts. > Ah yeahthat's awesome. This espionage stuff is nuts.

Re: Question about drones

2011-12-13 Thread Sam
Maybe it's a dummy. They'll spend years replicating something that doesn't work and we'll be laughing the entire time. . On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > I was listening to a defense analyst on the way home last night. One > of the things he mentioned is that the drone

Re: Question about drones

2011-12-13 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I was listening to a defense analyst on the way home last night. One of the things he mentioned is that the drones used in that area are not the most advanced, so that it was considered an acceptable risk to lose one or two. As this guy said, it was not a matter of if but when a drone was lost. O

Re: Question about drones

2011-12-13 Thread Maureen
Seriously? They cheaped out on self-destruct without considering the cost of defending against the drones if the tech fell into empty hands? Just how stupid are they? On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 4:49 AM, Scott Raley wrote: > > No not all have self destruct. Some just have code to wipe the storage >

RE: Question about drones

2011-12-13 Thread Scott Raley
No not all have self destruct. Some just have code to wipe the storage drive. The one on tv is similar to the one I helped with last year and there was "no money for self destruct" and that would "cause extra weight load". But I didn't say that. -Original Message- From: GMoney [mailto:gm0

Re: Question about drones

2011-12-10 Thread Robert Munn
A friend of mine was building RC airplanes 25 years ago. Some of his club's members had small RC jets, and this was technology built by people without huge resources. 25 years later the technology is that much better and readily available, so my guess is that self-destruct mechanisms are not worth

Re: Question about drones

2011-12-09 Thread Judah McAuley
I believe that the dude in Iran is ex-FBI, not CIA and was working as a "private investigator" so presumably not actually on contract for US intelligence services (though it can certainly be tough to tell). Iran also denies that they have him and there is speculation that he might be in Afghanista

Re: Question about drones

2011-12-09 Thread GMoney
Interesting. I have another question...military/intelligence week of curiosity for me I guess.they just released that video of a former CIA guy who is being held in Iran. In this day and age, when prisoners are routinely put on TV to be flaunted, are our operatives being trained in methods of

Re: Question about drones

2011-12-09 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Lets also not forget that the drone that crashed isn't quite state of the art. The CIA and Pentagon know that it was a matter of when not if a drone on the Afghan Iran border would malfunction. Besides the pictures shown by the Iranians suggest a mockup rather than the actual drone. What most like

Re: Question about drones

2011-12-09 Thread Cameron Childress
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > aren't these the same drones that have rootkit malware installed by persons > unknown, that the military cannot remove, and cannot figure out what it > does, and cannot figure out how it got there? When I see information like this I a

Re: Question about drones

2011-12-09 Thread GMoney
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > aren't these the same drones that have rootkit malware installed by persons > unknown, that the military cannot remove, and cannot figure out what it > does, and cannot figure out how it got there? > Drones sure seem like fun when it

Re: Question about drones

2011-12-09 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
aren't these the same drones that have rootkit malware installed by persons unknown, that the military cannot remove, and cannot figure out what it does, and cannot figure out how it got there? On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:50 AM, GMoney wrote: > > I have what may be a stupid question about the U