RE: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-07 Thread Fleischer, Beth
> From: Nick McClure [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 6:28 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Two points and then back to work > > Well, they got out. They were let out, something worked, It just took too > long. I don't think p

RE: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-07 Thread Nick McClure
Well, they got out. They were let out, something worked, It just took too long. I don't think police and lawyers Set out to put innocent people in jail. sometimes that facts, or what look like the facts, make it hard not believe these people committed the crime. One must remember, victim-less

RE: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-07 Thread Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
ED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:51 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Two points and then back to work > > > I don't know. These things are in the Constitution and I would be very > surprised to see any Supreme Court allow these things to keep going. > >

RE: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread Nick McClure
I don't know. These things are in the Constitution and I would be very surprised to see any Supreme Court allow these things to keep going. Cases will be thrown out and there will be some many things that can go wrong. The problem becomes the Constitution is only a document. It takes people wh

RE: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
these laws are here. It should be hard as hell to get warrants, etc. -Gary > -Original Message- > From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 11:45 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Two points and then back to work > > >

RE: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread Larry Lyons
http://www.pacel.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 12:54 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Two points and then back to work &

RE: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread Larry Lyons
2001 12:45 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Two points and then back to work > > > That's a pretty funny story! I can just see the guy yahoo-ing and > blasting away until...click click click. Then up strolls > Larry and the > other guy trying to coax him into gi

RE: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
> (*throws some muffins about then grabs for lunch*) I *really* need to eat before I make posts sometimes :) ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthor

RE: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
> BTW the guy who lived in the van down by the stream was the local gun nut. > Every so often he would get drunk and start shooting at his hallucinations > in the trailer. After a while the landlord and I would go out to check on > him after it seemed he ran out of ammo. A good way to get attenti

RE: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread Nick McClure
He says you still need a warrant, he just wants to make them easier to get. At 11:05 AM 12/6/2001 -0600, you wrote: >Not if Ashcroft has his way. Look, civil liberties and law are impediments >to men like him. He needs to subvert them for his goals to succeed. > >-Gary ~~~

Re: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread corrigan
to actual persons either living or deceased, is purely coincidental) Michael Corrigan Programmer Endora Digital Solutions www.endoradigital.com 630/942-5211 x-134 - Original Message - From: Larry Lyons To: CF-Community Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 11:24 AM Subject: RE: Two

RE: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread Larry Lyons
Thursday, December 06, 2001 12:16 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Two points and then back to work > > > ok, now that was funny!! > > what's funnier is you living in van down by the river!!! > > Michael Corrigan > Programmer > Endora Digital Solution

Re: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread corrigan
12 AM Subject: RE: Two points and then back to work To continue and to quote a neighbour of mine when I lived near a trailer part in SW Virginia (I was living in a 150 year old mill at the time), Boy, the south end of a cow facing north looks better than you. ;-) larry -- La

Re: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread corrigan
Yeah Gary, lern how too spell!! Michael Corrigan Programmer Endora Digital Solutions www.endoradigital.com 630/942-5211 x-134 - Original Message - From: Will Swain To: CF-Community Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 11:09 AM Subject: RE: Two points and then back to work

RE: Two points and then back to work (Virus Free Guarantee)

2001-12-06 Thread Larry Lyons
, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -Original Message- > From: Maureen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 12:11 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Two points and then back to work (Virus Free Guarantee) > > > At 11:56 AM

RE: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread Larry Lyons
TECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 12:06 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Two points and then back to work > > > I think that we should pass a law protecting those kids who > can't hold > it and prosecute those that laugh at them to the fullest > e

RE: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread Will Swain
anit-carnivore.what does that mean? At least try to spell correctly. ;-) will -Original Message- From: Gary P. McNeel, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 06 December 2001 17:04 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Two points and then back to work Well, luckily my anit-caRNIVORE

RE: Two points and then back to work (Virus Free Guarantee)

2001-12-06 Thread Maureen
At 11:56 AM 12/6/01 -0500, you wrote: >To mangle a quote from Benjamin Franklin, > >Those who are willing to give up some freedom for security end up with >neither. > >larry Franklin's quote actually says "Those that would sacrifice their freedom for safety will find they inherit neither." ~~~

Re: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread corrigan
alker To: CF-Community Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:53 AM Subject: RE: Two points and then back to work You guys have me cracking up ... Reminds me of when I was in Kindergarten and everyone was poking fun at the poor kid who didn't make it to the bathroom in time and h

RE: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
CF-Community > Subject: Re: Two points and then back to work > > > In that event wouldn't they have to get a warrant for each person they > wanted to watch? > > At 10:51 AM 12/6/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >Carnivore is considered, by law, to be akin to something like >

RE: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
Well, luckily my anit-caRNIVORE SOFTWARE PROTECT ME. NO WAY IT CAN INFECT THIS MACHINE. -GARY > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:50 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Two points and th

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2001-12-06 Thread Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
IL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:45 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Two points and then back to work > > > That is scary, I agree. One also has to wonder how much of this is > *opportunism* on the part of the authorities responsible for introducing > this.

RE: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread Larry Lyons
work here is done. -- > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 11:47 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Two points and then back to work > > > She wears combat boots too ;-) > > Michael

RE: Two points and then back to work (Virus Free Guarantee)

2001-12-06 Thread Larry Lyons
: http://www.ebstor.com http://www.pacel.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -Original Message- > From: Lon Lentz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 11:46 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Two

RE: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread Greenwood, Erin E.
-Community Subject: RE: Two points and then back to work Damn I knew I should have showered this morning. To keep things going, Your mother dresses you funny. larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393

RE: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread Erika L Walker
You guys have me cracking up ... Reminds me of when I was in Kindergarten and everyone was poking fun at the poor kid who didn't make it to the bathroom in time and he just stood there and peed his pants. Some little girl close by piped up and said "Ew, you smell!!!" (E with a K in the UK wit

Re: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread corrigan
She wears combat boots too ;-) Michael Corrigan Programmer Endora Digital Solutions www.endoradigital.com 630/942-5211 x-134 - Original Message - From: Larry Lyons To: CF-Community Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:38 AM Subject: RE: Two points and then back to work

RE: Two points and then back to work (Virus Free Guarantee)

2001-12-06 Thread Lon Lentz
Speaking of this, did anyone catch the head of the Chicago public libraries on O'Reilly's show a few days ago? I librarian there had called the FBI to report that one of the hijackers had used one of her computers before the attack. She got reprimanded. The lady on the show said that she

RE: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread Larry Lyons
> Web: http://www.ebstor.com > http://www.pacel.com > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > -- > > > -----Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, December 06,

Re: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread corrigan
asier, you smell :-) Michael Corrigan Programmer Endora Digital Solutions www.endoradigital.com 630/942-5211 x-134 - Original Message - From: Larry Lyons To: CF-Community Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:19 AM Subject: RE: Two points and then back to work Yes, but wi

RE: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread Larry Lyons
. -- > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 11:22 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Two points and then back to work > > > More food for your brain > > http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v00/n964/

Re: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread corrigan
Solutions www.endoradigital.com 630/942-5211 x-134 - Original Message - From: Howie Hamlin To: CF-Community Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:05 AM Subject: Re: Two points and then back to work Actually, yes, that's true. However, originally the FBI had to get a

RE: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread Larry Lyons
06, 2001 11:15 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Two points and then back to work > > > Where did you hear that? This is from the FBI website. It's > the link > that I posted just a few minutes ago. > > "Under Title III, applications for interceptio

Re: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread corrigan
riginal Message - From: Larry Lyons To: CF-Community Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:09 AM Subject: RE: Two points and then back to work However wiretaps require a warrant from a court, Carnivore does not have this requirement. Personally I think that before installing or activat

RE: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread Larry Lyons
l Message- > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:46 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Two points and then back to work > > > > > > Considering that in general the US media usually ignores > C

RE: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread Larry Lyons
Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:52 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Two points and then back to work > > > Carnivore is considered, by law, to be akin to something like > wire tapping - so, just like phone companies can't refuse, neither can > ISP's. > > Howie &g

Re: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread Howie Hamlin
onitor all accounts that they think the suspect has access to. Howie - Original Message - From: "Nick McClure" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:59 AM Subject: Re: Two points and then back to wo

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2001-12-06 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
06, 2001 10:46 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Two points and then back to work > > > Considering that in general the US media usually ignores Canadian news or > agreements. For instance did you know that the recent tariffs on Canadian > lumber that the Bush administrat

Re: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread corrigan
her can >ISP's. > >Howie > >- Original Message - >From: "Kevin Gilchrist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:48 AM >Subject: RE: Two points and t

Re: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread corrigan
sage - From: Howie Hamlin To: CF-Community Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:51 AM Subject: Re: Two points and then back to work Carnivore is considered, by law, to be akin to something like wire tapping - so, just like phone companies can't refuse, neither can ISP's.

Re: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread Nick McClure
>ISP's. > >Howie > >- Original Message - >From: "Kevin Gilchrist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:48 AM >Subject: RE: Two points and then back to work > > > > Far be

Re: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread Howie Hamlin
]> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:48 AM Subject: RE: Two points and then back to work > Far better to grab the keys and passwords that to force decrypt packets, > heh heh. > > From what I'd heard a lot of ISP's had baulked at installing Carnivore > unt

Re: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread corrigan
Subject: Re: Two points and then back to work >From what I've heard - the software already exists. And, get this, it's like a virus. It basically infects your computer so that the FBI can begin monitorig your activity without physically touching your computer! Howie

RE: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread Kevin Gilchrist
installation? -Original Message- From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:46 To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Two points and then back to work >From what I've heard - the software already exists. And, get this, it's like a virus. It basically inf

Re: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread Howie Hamlin
>From what I've heard - the software already exists. And, get this, it's like a >virus. It basically infects your computer so that the FBI can begin monitorig your activity without physically touching your computer! Howie - Original Message - From: "C. Hatton Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread Howie Hamlin
>From what I've heard - the software already exists. And, get this, it's like a >virus. It basically infects your computer so that the FBI can begin monitorig your activity without physically touching your computer! Howie - Original Message - From: "C. Hatton Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECT

RE: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread Will Swain
That is scary, I agree. One also has to wonder how much of this is *opportunism* on the part of the authorities responsible for introducing this. Is this _really_ going to help stop terrorism, or more likely, a way for the government to control a medium it considers threatening? will -Origin

RE: Two points and then back to work

2001-12-06 Thread Larry Lyons
Considering that in general the US media usually ignores Canadian news or agreements. For instance did you know that the recent tariffs on Canadian lumber that the Bush administration has imposed may be illegal under the NAFTA and WTO treaties? More typical bush regime ignoring international agree