Ooops, I was wrong:
But in addition to her work for the Institute for the Study of War, OBagy
is also the political director for the Syrian Emergency Task Force (SETF),
a group that advocates within the United States for Syrias rebels a fact
that the Journal did not disclose in OBagys piece
NOOo!!!
Focus someplace else, please. We can't take any more of this admins focus
on the US.
.
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Bruce Sorge wrote:
>
> We need to wrap up Afghanistan and start worrying about the US.
>
>
Well we'll know for sure in a few days if there were actually confirmed uses of
chemical weapons. The next thing we need to do is to find out WHO did this. I
mean, if Assad did do this, then fine, lets see what the international
community wants to do. If the resistance did this, same thing. Let
If that proof you speak of is 100% undeniable AND verifiable...and has been
corroborated.then I agree with you. Though, I wouldn't have drawn the
"line in the sand" to begin withbut now that it's thereyes, if we
have proof, we need to act.
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Judah McAul
Totally understand what you are saying there, Bruce, but what happens if we
don't do anything and we have firm evidence of the use of chemical weapons
by the Assad regime? Does anyone ever trust our line in the sand again? Our
"moral authority" ground is already a hell of a lot shakier than I'd li
So this is just a game?
A U.S. official briefed on the military options being considered by
President Obama told the Los Angeles Times that the White House is seeking
a strike on Syria just muscular enough not to get mocked.
"They are looking at what is just enough to mean something, just enou
>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The number used that I've seen has been 16. Older than 16 are not
> > > > > children
> > > > > > in casualty reports. Also, just to be more biased, trannies a
I do not think that AQ is behind this. At best the anti Assad group is behind
this in the hopes that the West will get involved, giving them the upper hand.
Bomb Syria's chemical plants, storage facilities, air fields and air force and
the resistance can gain a foothold.
And your las paragraph
I think what is scary is that it is likely Al Qaeda or a similar group that
was responsible for the attack, with the intent of the US striking Assad
and allowing them to gain ground.
As for WW3...this has been bandied about for decades with every engagement
in the middle east.
I think the truth i
ted
> > > > > as women in casualty reports.
> > > > > My blind support is for truth. Try using some rather than the blind
> > > > > anti-Israel support you seem to have.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
gt; listed
> > > > as women in casualty reports.
> > > > My blind support is for truth. Try using some rather than the blind
> > > > anti-Israel support you seem to have.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
ted
> > > > as women in casualty reports.
> > > > My blind support is for truth. Try using some rather than the blind
> > > > anti-Israel support you seem to have.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Eri
; > anti-Israel support you seem to have.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Eric Roberts <
> > > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > When they stopped supporting Michael'
> > >
> > > When they stopped supporting Michael's blind support of Israel...
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:26 PM
> > > To: cf-
@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > When they stopped supporting Michael's blind support of Israel...
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:26 PM
> &
26 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: US preparing to go to war in Syria.
>
>
> When did 'teens' stop being children? :D
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Michael Dinowitz <
> mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote:
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> >
> > In compariso
; Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 11:25 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: US preparing to go to war in Syria.
>
>
> Exactly. There are many of those.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Eric Roberts <
> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote
9 PM, Eric Roberts <
>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Yes...an Israeli organization biased against Israel LOL Michael...
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffu
i organization biased against Israel LOL Michael...
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 11:11 AM
> > To: cf-community
> > Subject: Re: US preparing to go to war in Syria
Well
On Aug 28, 2013 10:45 AM, "Eric Roberts"
wrote:
>
> And how well did that work out in the early 20th century?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 8:50 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subj
When they stopped supporting Michael's blind support of Israel...
-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:26 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: US preparing to go to war in Syria.
When did 'teens' stop being ch
-community
Subject: Re: US preparing to go to war in Syria.
Exactly. There are many of those.
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Eric Roberts <
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Yes...an Israeli organization biased against Israel LOL Michael...
>
> -Original M
en 1972 and 2011, the us blocked 42 out of 102 resolutions on Israel
> >
> > http://www.darkpolitricks.com/un-resolutions-against-israel/
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, Augu
d 2011, the us blocked 42 out of 102 resolutions on
> Israel
> > >
> > > http://www.darkpolitricks.com/un-resolutions-against-israel/
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com]
> > &
eoffusion.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 11:11 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: US preparing to go to war in Syria.
>
>
> In comparison to Syria or just about anywhere else? Look at the numbers
> side
> by side and you see how much Israel sucks in genocide. Oh, a
Yes...an Israeli organization biased against Israel LOL Michael...
-Original Message-
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 11:11 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: US preparing to go to war in Syria.
In comparison to Syria or just
Our actions this week are not supporting anyone in Egypt but our actions
prior to the military coup did show support.
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
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> Did we? Seems our actions speak different.
>
> On Wednesday, August 28, 2013, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>
> >
> > Didn'
Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:38 AM
> > To: cf-community
> > Subject: Re: US preparing to go to war in Syria.
> >
> >
> > I'm pretty sure that we supported an elected government.
> >
> &g
t 28, 2013 10:35 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: US preparing to go to war in Syria.
>
>
> Of course we have to pull in an Israel comparison because Israel is just so
> evil and we support them. I wonder how the numbers stack up between Syria
> and Israel. I wonder if the
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:38 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: US preparing to go to war in Syria.
>
>
> I'm pretty sure that we supported an elected government.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Michael Dinowitz <
> mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrot
Did we? Seems our actions speak different.
On Wednesday, August 28, 2013, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>
> Didn't we support the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt just a few weeks ago?
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Larry C. Lyons
>
> >wrote:
>
> >
> > Darned autocorrect
> >
> > Syria has had ch
sday, August 28, 2013 10:35 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: US preparing to go to war in Syria.
>
>
> Of course we have to pull in an Israel comparison because Israel is just so
> evil and we support them. I wonder how the numbers stack up between Syria
> and Israel. I wonder if th
AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: US preparing to go to war in Syria.
I'm pretty sure that we supported an elected government.
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Michael Dinowitz <
mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote:
>
> Didn't we support the Muslim Brotherho
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From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:35 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: US preparing to go to war in Syria.
Of course we have to pull in an Israel comparison because Israel is just so
evil and we support them. I wonder how the numbers
Who declared that they were elected to bring a theocracy to replace the
democracy...and they were well on their way to doing it.
I love the brotherhood because they are so open and honest about what they
plan to do.
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> I'm pretty sure that
I'm pretty sure that we supported an elected government.
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Michael Dinowitz <
mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote:
>
> Didn't we support the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt just a few weeks ago?
>
>
~
Didn't we support the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt just a few weeks ago?
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> Darned autocorrect
>
> Syria has had chemical weapons since the 60's look up the suppression of
> the Moslem Brotherhood in the 70's in Hama. Assad's father used s
m: Bruce Sorge [mailto:sor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 8:09 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: US preparing to go to war in Syria.
>
>
> Since Russia and China are going to veto anything that is drafted (anything
> that allows the UN to attack Syria), I am guessing
Darned autocorrect
Syria has had chemical weapons since the 60's look up the suppression of
the Moslem Brotherhood in the 70's in Hama. Assad's father used sarin
there.
On Wednesday, August 28, 2013, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
> No. Bush lied about that. Syria had Chen war
>
> On Wednesday, August 2
No. Bush lied about that. Syria had Chen war
On Wednesday, August 28, 2013, LRS Scout wrote:
>
> So remember when OIF started and I was telling you guys about Saddam moving
> WMD to Syria?
>
> Do we owe gwb an apology?
> On Aug 27, 2013 5:02 PM, "Sam" > wrote:
>
> >
> > Actually, everyone agreed
It may stop these attacks on civilians.
On Tuesday, August 27, 2013, GMoney wrote:
>
> Show a Syrian you care, bomb them!
>
> I just don't see what lobbing missiles into that mess of country is going
> to solve
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Sam >
> wrote:
>
> >
> > We've been progr
In the short term it would be cheaper. I think it would be more expensive
in the long run.
There is plenty to dislike about modern geopolitical theater. The UN has
plenty of problems. So does the changing face/mission of NATO. The World
Bank, IMF, and WTO have can and should be roundly criticized
And how well did that work out in the early 20th century?
-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 8:50 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: US preparing to go to war in Syria.
Every day, isolationism seems more and more appealing
You mean like how we veto any actions against Israel?
-Original Message-
From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:sor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 8:09 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: US preparing to go to war in Syria.
Since Russia and China are going to veto anything that is
I've been saying it for years.
Way cheaper too.
On Aug 28, 2013 9:50 AM, "Scott Stroz" wrote:
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> Every day, isolationism seems more and more appealing.
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> >
> > There was certainly a chemical attack in Syria. What is not at all
> certain
>
Every day, isolationism seems more and more appealing.
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> There was certainly a chemical attack in Syria. What is not at all certain
> is who launched that attack. It is extremely suspicious that Syria would
> practically pick the very worst time
It's not in Israel's interest to have Syria bombed at all. Who do you think
will be struck at if we bomb Syria? NY? I don't think so.
We attack Syria, Syria attacks Israel. And those against Assad are even
more open to attacking Israel than Assad is. It's a damned if you do and
damned if you don't
And hundreds of civilians are likely to be killed in these attacks.
I wonder if we will see the pictures of their broken bodies in the rubble.
Our world politics suck. :(
On 28 August 2013 09:15, GMoney wrote:
>
> Arab League gave their blessing for an attack. Russia and China won't like
> it
Arab League gave their blessing for an attack. Russia and China won't like
it, but I don't see them doing anything about it.
Americans are still staunchly opposed to it, if the polls are too be
believed. Sounds like it's already a done deal though...and the
missiles will start flying sometim
I don't think there is any doubt that there was a chemical weapons attack.
What no one knows, is who is responsible for that attack.
Was it terrorists inside Syria? Or was it ordered by the Government? Or was
it a rogue military commander?
On 28 August 2013 09:01, GMoney wrote:
> Now it's bei
Since Russia and China are going to veto anything that is drafted (anything
that allows the UN to attack Syria), I am guessing that we'll go in under the
NATO flag.
On Aug 28, 2013, at 9:01 AM, GMoney wrote:
>
> Now it's being confirmed by the UN:
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/International/env
Now it's being confirmed by the UN:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/envoy-syria-evidence-suggests-chemical-substance/story?id=20091760
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 7:57 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> The intelligence that the US is basing the coming attacks on was collected
> by Israel. It amounts to th
The intelligence that the US is basing the coming attacks on was collected
by Israel. It amounts to the security ministry in Syria calling a military
unit and asking them what the hell happened, and why were rockets launched.
Not that Israel has any interest in Syria getting bombed to hell and ba
-community
Subject: Re: US preparing to go to war in Syria.
So remember when OIF started and I was telling you guys about Saddam moving
WMD to Syria?
Do we owe gwb an apology?
On Aug 27, 2013 5:02 PM, "Sam" wrote:
>
> Actually, everyone agreed last time. This time it's Obama
And there is no such proof. Not in all the years before or after that war.
More lies we were told.
Syria got their chemical weapons expertise from the west, just like Saddam
did.
Let us not forget that these leaders were fully supported by the West at
one point.
On 28 August 2013 08:30, Scott S
Maybeif there is proof that it actually happened.
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 7:39 AM, LRS Scout wrote:
>
> So remember when OIF started and I was telling you guys about Saddam moving
> WMD to Syria?
>
> Do we owe gwb an apology?
> On Aug 27, 2013 5:02 PM, "Sam" wrote:
>
> >
> > Actually, eve
Heh, like that will ever happen.
On Aug 28, 2013, at 7:39 AM, LRS Scout wrote:
>
> So remember when OIF started and I was telling you guys about Saddam moving
> WMD to Syria?
>
> Do we owe gwb an apology?
> On Aug 27, 2013 5:02 PM, "Sam" wrote:
>
~~
So remember when OIF started and I was telling you guys about Saddam moving
WMD to Syria?
Do we owe gwb an apology?
On Aug 27, 2013 5:02 PM, "Sam" wrote:
>
> Actually, everyone agreed last time. This time it's Obama's word. If he has
> the proof I hope he produces it before he shoots. He did wi
Actually, everyone agreed last time. This time it's Obama's word. If he has
the proof I hope he produces it before he shoots. He did win a peace prize
after all.
.
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Vivec wrote:
>
> The "rebels" have already been taken over by extremist groups from across
> the
It's the Middle East. There are not very many situations, it seems to me,
that are not "damned if you do, damned if you don't". I think we'll be in
that situation no matter the course we take because it is damn complicated
and factors will be out of our control. When things settle down and we
leav
I think the big problem will be that this will put us in direct conflict
with Russia...
-Original Message-
From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 12:31 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: US preparing to go to war in Syria.
I don't agree with that.
According to Elizabeth O'Bagy that's not the case. I never heard of her
before yesterdays but she seems legit.
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/special-report-bret-baier/videos#p/86927/v/2630371875001
http://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/opposition-advances-damascus
She states:
Furthermore,
The "rebels" have already been taken over by extremist groups from across
the middle east.
They want to move in and take power. The same thing happened in Egypt.
This is a repeat of "they have Weapons of mass destruction, and we have the
proof".
Same shit, and almost the same text book lead up.
Calculated risks. Bombing is the easiest way do something risk free. The
outcome can't be much worse than what already exists unless we bomb the
good rebels. It's doing nothing that makes things worse. The Arab spring
was the opportunity to help make things right and we played golf. No look
at the
The world isn't this simple. This is the same mentality that keeps getting
us in trouble. We think we're fighting these wars in a nice little vacuum,
with very clear rules that allow us to predict these outcomes.
If we just do A, B will happen, then C will see we mean business and do D,
and then
I don't agree with that.
There are lots of rebel groups. Sometimes you pick one and find out they
hate us. I think Libya and maybe Egypt that was the case. But mostly
because we waited too long and al Qaeda like folks grew stronger before we
jumped in. Syria, if what they said on Fox News :) is t
Well, Assad is aligned with Iran. Iran is watching the paper tiger Obama.
Al Qaeda represents some of the rebels while most of the rebels support our
interests. If we can slow down the military and give an edge to the rebels
looking out for the good of the country it would solve a lot. Unfortunate
I sort of understand the "hey, you can't use chem weapons without
repercussions" idea...but I'm not so sure that the Syrian rebels are any
great friend to the US or anyone else. Seems like every time we back
someone in the middle east, we end up warring with them 10 years later.
On Tue, Aug 27,
It will slow down Assad and give the rebels an even better chance. It will
show the world that there are boundaries you cannot cross. The question is,
do we blow up strategic airports and military depots, go in with troops or
bomb an aspirin factory?
In the end, most in this country would not car
the slump in defense spending
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:00 PM, GMoney wrote:
>
> Show a Syrian you care, bomb them!
>
> I just don't see what lobbing missiles into that mess of country is going
> to solve
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Sam wrote:
>
> >
> > We've been programed
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:00 PM, GMoney wrote:
>
> Show a Syrian you care, bomb them!
>
> I just don't see what lobbing missiles into that mess of country is going
> to solve
>
Not a damn thing.
--
Scott Stroz
---
You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you
Show a Syrian you care, bomb them!
I just don't see what lobbing missiles into that mess of country is going
to solve
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Sam wrote:
>
> We've been programed to not give a damn about anything anymore.
> Look squirrel seems to be the TPM of the day. Did you se
We've been programed to not give a damn about anything anymore.
Look squirrel seems to be the TPM of the day. Did you see that Cyrus girl
on tv?
.
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> The thing about that article that really nauseated me was the "if it's
> chemical weapon
There was suspicion that Assad used chemical weapons earlier but it had not
been confirmed yet. If that is true, then this is continuing a pattern of
behavior. Beyond that...I don't know. I do know that Assad has not shown
himself to be a rational man, so any argument starting from the point that
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