On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Michael Dinowitz <
mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote:
>
> Chosen means that we were given and have accepted the Torah and the laws to
> keep. Not that we will rule the world. Not that we will kill all our foes.
> Not that we will get anything more than a small pie
PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: palestine, a country?
Ah. I'm not up on my Christian theology where it applies to Revelations. I
didn't even read the Left Behind series. :)
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Sam wrote:
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> I was referring to the 140,000 Jews being the chosen ones from
I meant tea-bagee
.
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Sam wrote:
> A tea-partee would come in handy for that.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Michael Dinowitz
> wrote:
>>
>> One of the big things is we don't have to be re-circumcised. :)
>> (A circumcised convert has a symbolic drop of b
A tea-partee would come in handy for that.
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Michael Dinowitz
wrote:
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> One of the big things is we don't have to be re-circumcised. :)
> (A circumcised convert has a symbolic drop of blood drawn.)
Actually, you wouldn't have to convert. You would be just like me, a Ba'al
Chuvah (literally master of repentance). I wasn't always orthodox.
One of the big things is we don't have to be re-circumcised. :)
(A circumcised convert has a symbolic drop of blood drawn.)
As for the Canaanites, if we go
Ah. I'm not up on my Christian theology where it applies to Revelations. I
didn't even read the Left Behind series. :)
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Sam wrote:
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> I was referring to the 140,000 Jews being the chosen ones from the
> Christian bible that go to heaven. Don't know much about it
I was referring to the 140,000 Jews being the chosen ones from the
Christian bible that go to heaven. Don't know much about it, just that
it's not a Jewish thing.
.
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Michael Dinowitz
wrote:
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> Chosen means that we were given and have accepted the Torah and the l
The word 'extremely' is totally loaded as they are just as orthodox as I am
and as Ben Forta is. The words Extremely or Ultra is added as a prefix to
orthodox in order to demonize them.
A convert who does not accept all of the laws is not considered a true
convert. Neither Conservative nor Reform
ke the non-Arab Palestinians (aka Canaanites).
Eric
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On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Larry C. Lyons
wrote:
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> But do all jews
Chosen means that we were given and have accepted the Torah and the laws to
keep. Not that we will rule the world. Not that we will kill all our foes.
Not that we will get anything more than a small piece of land to live on.
The entire conversion process is about that simple thing. Will the potent
And that is a big problem right now in Israel, with the extremely
orthodox rabbinate not recognizing most American Jewish congregations,
like the Conservative or Reform groups.
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Michael Dinowitz
wrote:
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>> Ehmm...but Michael...practically...aren't Jewish Converts
> Ehmm...but Michael...practically...aren't Jewish Converts, that is people
> who were not born Jewish, not regarded as true jews by those that were born
> Jewish?
>
Totally untrue. I have a friend who converted and later married the daughter
of a big Chasidish family. A convert is just as much a
We don't believe in the chosen ones if that's what you're getting at.
.
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Vivec wrote:
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> Ehmm...but Michael...practically...aren't Jewish Converts, that is people
> who were not born Jewish, not regarded as true jews by those that were born
> Jewish?
> I'm not
Ehmm...but Michael...practically...aren't Jewish Converts, that is people
who were not born Jewish, not regarded as true jews by those that were born
Jewish?
I'm not talking about what might be written ,or the way it is supposed to
be.
I'm talking about practically, in the Jewish community.
On 19
I am Jewish by genetics, but I didn't know that until I researched my
family tree when I was in my 40s. My mother's family came over from
Hamburg, Germany to the US, changed their name, and converted to
Christianity.
I have studied the Jewish faith intensively, especially the Kabbalah,
but I don
Nope, not all Jews originate in Israel. Jews by genetics do while converts
don't.
But this is where things get tricky. A convert is considered a full Jew in
all ways. This includes a spiritual/religious connection to Israel. That
connection is part and parcel of Judaism. They may or may not have t
Its considered to be both - an ethnic group (depending on the region
of origin) and a religion. They were ethnically distinct in Europe and
the Middle East. In Central Asia (Khazar regions) they were the same
ethnicity as the other locals.
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:54 AM, G Money wrote:
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> On
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
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> But do all jews originate from Israel? Remember the Khazar Empire
> (located in parts of Russia and the Caucuses) that converted from
> Tengri shamanism to Judaism in the 8th century AD. These people can
> not be considered genetically de
But do all jews originate from Israel? Remember the Khazar Empire
(located in parts of Russia and the Caucuses) that converted from
Tengri shamanism to Judaism in the 8th century AD. These people can
not be considered genetically descended from the Jews of Israel or the
Diaspora.
On Fri, Nov 19,
came
>>> from...not
>>> > a
>>> > whole lot of middle eastern traits. Add that to my Germanic and Irish
>>> > heritage as well...and my daughters and I are pretty white. I am sure
>>> > there
>>> > is some Israeli Jew in there
t;> > a
>> > whole lot of middle eastern traits. Add that to my Germanic and Irish
>> > heritage as well...and my daughters and I are pretty white. I am sure
>> > there
>> > is some Israeli Jew in there somewhere, but not to the point where I
>> would
say that Africa is my
>> homeland...
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:57 PM
>> To: cf-community
>> Subject: Re: palestine, a country?
>>
ould
> > consider it my homeland. By your logic, I can say that Africa is my
> > homeland...
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:57 PM
> &g
nsider it my homeland. By your logic, I can say that Africa is my
> homeland...
>
> Eric
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:57 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: palestine, a cou
owitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:57 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: palestine, a country?
You see, that's what pisses me off. The attempt to separate Jews (i.e. me)
from Israel. In other words, delegitimizing my connection to my homeland.
How about th
You see, that's what pisses me off. The attempt to separate Jews (i.e. me)
from Israel. In other words, delegitimizing my connection to my homeland.
How about this. It has been shown that the those of the 'priestly' class of
Judaism have specific genes that can and have been traced across generati
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 11:13 AM, G Money wrote:
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> It's just part of the price we pay for being totally fucking awesome :)
>
WOOHAA!
:Den
--
No man should bring children into the world who is unwilling to
persevere to the end in their nature and education.
Plato
~~
iluted out from
eastern Euro populations. Even and insular as Jews were in Europe, they did
intermarry quite a bit with the local population.
Eric
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Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:13 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: palestine,
> Wow, I'm really egotistical to consider an
> entire community as mine. :)
Well, you do run the listserver after all... :)
-Justin
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On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Michael Dinowitz <
mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote:
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> I know.
>
> The whole thing just irks me as another in a lng line of "Israel has no
> right to exist, does not exist, or will not exist soon" arguments.
> You think I'm all gung ho pro-Israel but that'
I know.
The whole thing just irks me as another in a lng line of "Israel has no
right to exist, does not exist, or will not exist soon" arguments.
You think I'm all gung ho pro-Israel but that's not true. I'm protective of
my people and when they are misjudged or held to a different standard
just joking mike.
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Michael Dinowitz
wrote:
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> I'm glad I didn't send my initial response saying that the replacement of
> Israel with Palestine is the core problem. What good is examination of facts
> when a good frothing is so much more interesting.
>
> Yeah, I
ROFL
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From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 8:39 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: palestine, a country?
You think Maryland really cares?
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Larry C. Lyons
wrote:
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> Now you'
I'm glad I didn't send my initial response saying that the replacement of
Israel with Palestine is the core problem. What good is examination of facts
when a good frothing is so much more interesting.
Yeah, I know that there was a smiley but...
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Larry C. Lyons wro
You think Maryland really cares?
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
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> Now you've done it, you're going to get MD frothing at the mouth ;)
>
>
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Now you've done it, you're going to get MD frothing at the mouth ;)
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Tony wrote:
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> so, today i was at the naturalization oath ceremony for my chilean
> (flex, .net, c# developer)
> girlfriend... the end of a 10+ yr process for her!! awesome stuff, to
> say the l
That is awesome...good for him...
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From: Tony [mailto:tonyw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:57 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: palestine, a country?
so, today i was at the naturalization oath ceremony for my chilean
(flex, .net, c# developer)
girlfrien
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