Re: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company.

Because the tax isn't based on what you make, it is based on what you spend, and most of the goods that people at the lower end of the economic ladder would buy, such as food and medicine, would not be taxed. On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > How is that? If you make 10

RE: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company.

: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company. Actually, research shows the opposite. But the Fair Tax opposition says that repeatedly, and those who haven't bothered to read the proposals parrot it. On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > >

Re: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company.

"And the opponents of consumption tax ignore the regressive fica taxes, cigarette taxes, gas taxes, medicare/medicaid, alcohol taxes, and everyone's favorite new tax: Obamacare." Shit. I forgot the ponzi social security tax. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad

Re: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company.

"Actually, research shows the opposite." And the opponents of consumption tax ignore the regressive fica taxes, cigarette taxes, gas taxes, medicare/medicaid, alcohol taxes, and everyone's favorite new tax: Obamacare. J - If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it

Re: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company.

On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Maureen wrote: > Actually, research shows the opposite. But the Fair Tax opposition > says that repeatedly, and those who haven't bothered to read the > proposals parrot it. ++ -Cameron ... ~

Re: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company.

Actually, research shows the opposite. But the Fair Tax opposition says that repeatedly, and those who haven't bothered to read the proposals parrot it. On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > -infinity...consumption tax disproportionately effects the poor... ~

RE: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company.

That explains it LOL -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 10:48 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company. Rupert Murdock's News Corp bought the WSJ in 2007. On Fri, M

RE: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company.

-infinity...consumption tax disproportionately effects the poor... -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 10:44 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company. +1 billion On Fri

Re: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company.

Rupert Murdock's News Corp bought the WSJ in 2007. On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > The failure rate was something like 33% which is a lot less than the private > sector fail rate for new businesses. So, as usual, the once bastion of > integrity, the WSJ is little more t

Re: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company.

+1 billion On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > Better yet, make tax credits moot. Abolish the income tax and move to a > consumption tax. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Ad

RE: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company.

...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 8:17 AM To: cf-community Subject: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company. "The list of the Obama Administration's industrial policy failures is long, from Solyndra to Fisker Automotive. But now we are hearing that one succe

Re: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company.

I'd love to see any business in the US function as a wholly private industry. Even big oil requires corporate welfare. Retail stores like Wal-mart would never survive without the subsidies and tax breaks as well as other perks they strong arm out of municipalities. If you want to talk about compa

Re: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company.

"Elon Musk has actually talked about this quite a bit. Tesla is doing everything it can to bring the price down and make this a real market, even sharing some of their technology with other companies to try to encourage a bigger market to develop." Like lobbying for more subsidies or even suing f

Re: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company.

On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > And therein is the problem. They are not affordable. They are toys for > the elites. Elon Musk has actually talked about this quite a bit. Tesla is doing everything it can to bring the price down and make this a real market, even sharing

Re: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company.

"If the tax credits are removed from any industry it should certainly start with big oil." Raise your hand if you have problem with that. Anyone? Anyone? Better yet, make tax credits moot. Abolish the income tax and move to a consumption tax. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the othe

Re: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company.

"I _so_ wish I could afford one." And therein is the problem. They are not affordable. They are toys for the elites. Green energy will become abundant when the free market makes it so. Government subsidization is slowing the process since it keeping projects alive that should have failed. The

Re: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company.

On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Vivec wrote: > How about we take away the energy credits from every related industry > in the State and then see how Tesla did in comparison to them? If the tax credits are removed from any industry it should certainly start with big oil. -Cameron ... ~

Re: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company.

And there will always be a way to see the negative in something, and to try to spin it. You can't "take away the credits" Sam. The Times Analysis is a ridiculous "what if" scenario. How about we take away the credits for every other car company that operates in California when doing a comparison

Re: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company.

I read this as take form the poor and give to the rich. A Morgan Stanley MS -0.66%report in April said Tesla made $40.5 million on credits in 2012

Re: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company.

With their lease arrangements it's pretty good pricing for the car you get. On 24 May 2013 09:27, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > I _so_ wish I could afford one. > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.

Re: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company.

I _so_ wish I could afford one. On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > "The list of the Obama Administration's industrial policy failures is long, > from Solyndra to Fisker Automotive. But now we are hearing that one success > redeems them all: Tesla Motors TSLA +5.92%

Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company.

"The list of the Obama Administration's industrial policy failures is long, from Solyndra to Fisker Automotive. But now we are hearing that one success redeems them all: Tesla Motors TSLA +5.92% . Tesla's share price has soared this year on rave reviews for its electric car, growing sales and its