Re: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-30 Thread Dana
Troll Alert. On 8/30/05, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Larry wrote: > > read Atwood's Handmaid's Tale. > > > > I dunno ... some of the stuff in there seemed alright to me ... > > ~| Find out how CFTicket can incre

Re: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-30 Thread Cameron Childress
On 8/29/05, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > there's a lot of that going around Cameron, and a whole lot of > self-dealing too. On all levels, Democrat and Republican. Including just about every politician to one degree or another. I agree. It's a problem at the system level, and should be urg

Re: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-30 Thread Jerry Johnson
I can't even reread the Handmaid's Tale. It disturbs me just reading the title. Almost as bad was Revolt in 2100. On 8/30/05, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK what sort of koolade have you been drinking lately. A theocracy of > any sort, much less the sort these people advocate would

Re: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-30 Thread Jerry Johnson
I am just telling you what my gut fear is. Much of it is lack of understanding and inability to empathise. Have you ever talked to some of the wackos in these "green" groups? I had the priviledge to meet quite a few while living in Oregon. They actually drool and spit while talking they get so upse

Re: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-30 Thread Larry C. Lyons
OK what sort of koolade have you been drinking lately. A theocracy of any sort, much less the sort these people advocate would mean at the least mass executions of most minority religious groups, as well as those of different political persuasions. larry On 8/30/05, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-30 Thread Gruss Gott
> Larry wrote: > read Atwood's Handmaid's Tale. > I dunno ... some of the stuff in there seemed alright to me ... ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion

RE: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-30 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:35 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: The Real Terrorists > > I would have to disagree. > > I am personally more afraid of the ELF and similar groups

Re: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-30 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Actually have you read the Army of God's manifesto - its one of the radical anti-abortion terrorist groups. Banning abortion is only a start. These people make the Taliban look like real party animals. If they have their way we'd be living in a real nasty theocracy. To give you a bit of an idea of

Re: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-30 Thread Gruss Gott
> Brian wrote: > What happens when they are presented with the next > issue they feel deeply about? > 12 monkeys? ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion

Re: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-30 Thread G
Any group of people who have convinced themselves that killing innocent people is the correct way to go about obtaining their agenda, is a terrorist who has completely invalidated their goals, no matter what they are. Additionally, it is reasonable to assume that the complete moral and logical

Re: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-30 Thread Gruss Gott
> Jerry wrote: > The right wingers and anti-abortion groups are less scary to me in > that they only want to change SOME things, not everything, and want a > version of America that does not differ radically from the one I want. Unless you're part of this group, that's quite a presumption. I wou

Re: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-30 Thread Jerry Johnson
I would have to disagree. I am personally more afraid of the ELF and similar groups than I am of radical anti-abortion groups or right-wingers. They want to take away our current American culture and lifestyle, and replace it with a vision of their own. They hate us all. (Much like Muslim extremi

RE: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-29 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Maureen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 2:15 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: The Real Terrorists > > On 8/29/05, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > 2)

Re: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-29 Thread Maureen
On 8/29/05, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > 2) A propensity for certain people on either political side to > immediately come up with and argue about reasons that this is > political instead of looking at the real problem. The comment in the article about the eco-terrorist

Re: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-29 Thread Dana
there's a lot of that going around Cameron, and a whole lot of self-dealing too. Dana On 8/29/05, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I definitely see where you are comming from. I just hear alot of: > > Joe: Ouch I stubbed my toe > Sue: Did you know that the Bush family owns stock i

Re: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-29 Thread Cameron Childress
I definitely see where you are comming from. I just hear alot of: Joe: Ouch I stubbed my toe Sue: Did you know that the Bush family owns stock in toe splints? Joe: Huh? What does that have to do wi... Sue: Obviously the Bush Administration has been careless about the clean up this toe stubbing o

Re: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-29 Thread Dana
exactly On 8/29/05, Ken Ketsdever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My original comment was half jokingly. > > I don't think there is a conspiracy other than a conspiracy of idiocy. > The lack of leaders in our country's leadership is appalling. > > I do believe Bush (and his administration) has lied

RE: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-29 Thread Ken Ketsdever
My original comment was half jokingly. I don't think there is a conspiracy other than a conspiracy of idiocy. The lack of leaders in our country's leadership is appalling. I do believe Bush (and his administration) has lied to the public more than once. Therefore he opens himself up to att

Re: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-29 Thread G
Amen. If the FBI deems these groups to be more dangerous, they probably are > On 8/26/05, Ken Ketsdever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> True, but the pose a threat to Bush's corporate buddies. > > While I can appreciate the increasingly common hobby of finding a way > to build conspiracy theor

Re: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-29 Thread Cameron Childress
On 8/29/05, Ken Ketsdever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is just another funny coincidence that the more violent group tends > to be on the same side of the fence as Bush (and many of his supporters) > yet they take a back seat to the less violent group who tends to oppose > many of the people or

RE: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-29 Thread SStewart
-Original Message- From: Ken Ketsdever [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:46 am To: CF-Community Subject: RE: The Real Terrorists Importance: Low True, but the pose a threat to Bush's corporate buddies. >>>> -Original Message- From: S

RE: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-29 Thread Ken Ketsdever
I didn't claim they shouldn't be dealt with seriously. I was questioning why eco-terrorists should be deemed America's no#1 domestic threat, while groups that tend to have similar believes as Bush and many of his supports are relegated to be considered a lesser threat. I do not support ALF or ELF

Re: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-29 Thread Cameron Childress
On 8/26/05, Ken Ketsdever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > True, but the pose a threat to Bush's corporate buddies. While I can appreciate the increasingly common hobby of finding a way to build conspiracy theories and blame everything on Bush. Alot of things can be legitimately assigned to Bush. Ho

Re: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-29 Thread Larry C. Lyons
They also pose a threat to scientists. I know of two scientists doing stroke research that had their labs trashed - and their lives threatened by ALF. Over 20 years of research data destroyed by these terrorists. larry On 8/26/05, Ken Ketsdever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > True, but the pose a th

RE: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-29 Thread Ken Ketsdever
True, but the pose a threat to Bush's corporate buddies. -Original Message- From: SStewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Smoke.. meet mirrors. While ALF and ELF and I should probably lump PETA and Greenpeace in, have caused some monetary damage, they've caused very little in the way o

Re: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-26 Thread Robert Munn
I'll second that. I lived less than a mile from that building when it burned down. The fire was started in the middle of the night right next to a very densely populated area. It was pure chance that no one was seriously hurt or killed. If the wind had started blowing west during the night while

Re: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-26 Thread Cameron Childress
On 8/26/05, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, well, tell that to the FBI. Did you even read the article? Try telling that to my neighbor who had parts of his apartment melted as a result in an ELF attack in San Diego a couple of years ago. This fire was so severe that it MELTED parts of

RE: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-26 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: SStewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 9:35 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: The Real Terrorists > > Smoke.. meet mirrors. While ALF and ELF and I should probably lump PETA > and Greenpeace in, have cau

Re: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-26 Thread Dana
property losses are clearly more important than human lives. bah Dana On 8/26/05, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "The No. 1 domestic terrorism threat is the eco-terrorism, > animal-rights movement," said John Lewis, an FBI deputy assistant > director and top official in charge of domestic

Re: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-26 Thread Gruss Gott
> DRE wrote: > I just wish we had a trillion > dollars laying around so we could do something useful. > Get your priorities straight dude! As a good Republican you know that The Children's Rock-n-Roll museum and Indian Casinos are much more important than terrorism.

Re: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-26 Thread DRE
Why do we have to have a #1 domestic terrorist? So we can ignore #2? Its absurd at every level. Sheesh. I just wish we had a trillion dollars laying around so we could do something useful. DRE On 8/26/05, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What part don't you agree with? The FBI claims, or t

RE: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-26 Thread SStewart
rcass... and thus the Pipes were born" the Scottish Rogues -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:03 am To: CF-Community Subject: Re: The Real Terrorists Importance: Low What part don't you agree with? The FBI clai

Re: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-26 Thread Maureen
What part don't you agree with? The FBI claims, or the SPLC counterclaim? On 8/26/05, SStewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes I did and I don't agree with it... It sound to me like someone trying to > cover for the "Operation Rescues" of the US. ~~

RE: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-26 Thread SStewart
To: CF-Community Subject: Re: The Real Terrorists Importance: Low Yeah, well, tell that to the FBI. Did you even read the article? On 8/26/05, SStewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Smoke.. meet mirrors. While ALF and ELF and I should probably lump PETA and > Greenpeace in, have

Re: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-26 Thread Maureen
Yeah, well, tell that to the FBI. Did you even read the article? On 8/26/05, SStewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Smoke.. meet mirrors. While ALF and ELF and I should probably lump PETA and > Greenpeace in, have caused some monetary damage, they've caused very little > in the way of human deat

RE: The Real Terrorists

2005-08-26 Thread SStewart
o: CF-Community Subject: The Real Terrorists Importance: Low "The No. 1 domestic terrorism threat is the eco-terrorism, animal-rights movement," said John Lewis, an FBI deputy assistant director and top official in charge of domestic terrorism. Balance of article at: http://

The Real Terrorists

2005-08-26 Thread Maureen
"The No. 1 domestic terrorism threat is the eco-terrorism, animal-rights movement," said John Lewis, an FBI deputy assistant director and top official in charge of domestic terrorism. Balance of article at: http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/24/schuster.column/index.html ~~~