Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-21 Thread dana tierney
hardly know you :) Dana - Original Message - From: Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey, don't put words in my mouth? Fingers? Saddam H

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-21 Thread Sam Morris
Hey, don't put words in my mouth? Fingers? Saddam Hussein was paying $25,000 to the relatives of Palestinian suicide murderers. I never said anything about him paying the families of murderers connected to 9/11. -sm --- dana tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > yes, but it keeps getting trotte

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-21 Thread dana tierney
as far as I know there is no connection at all. - Original Message - From: Andy Ousterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:29:42 -0500 Subject: RE: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am not sure that that was

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-21 Thread dana tierney
; >   -Original Message- >   From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >   Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 6:23 PM >   To: CF-Community >   Subject: Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again > >   granted but this is connected to 9/11 how exactly? It's li

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-21 Thread Gruss Gott
g as Mr. Bush is President we'll have horrible foreign policy - they don't "get it" either. ----- Original Message - From: G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:37:46 -0500 Subject: Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECT

RE: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-21 Thread Andy Ousterhout
PM   To: CF-Community   Subject: Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again   It is? I have been accepting it as fact. If it isn't true where did it   come from? I thought they were paying $1000 or something to the   families of suicide bombers?   Dana   - Original Message -  

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
> come from? I thought they were paying $1000 or something to the > families of suicide bombers? > > Dana > > - Original Message - > From: Andy Ousterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:43:39 -0500 > Subject: RE: The Republican Fear Ma

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-21 Thread dana tierney
TECTED]   Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 6:23 PM   To: CF-Community   Subject: Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again   granted but this is connected to 9/11 how exactly? It's like the   British saying gee, there are problems in the Shankhill district, so   let's invade Holland.

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-21 Thread dana tierney
ok thanks. I feel better now :) - Original Message - From: Andy Ousterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:39:49 -0500 Subject: RE: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That stating that electing Kerry is asking for

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-21 Thread G
  From: Gruss Gott   To: CF-Community   Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:24 AM   Subject: Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again      3.) That's exactly the point - we need to make it hard for them to say   they dislike us, and even harder for them to oppose helping us.  We   ha

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-21 Thread Gruss Gott
, 21 Sep 2004 07:51:59 -0500 Subject: Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 1.) We've captured or killed quite a few Al Qaeda leadersproblem is, i think they are readily replaced 2.) We've uncovered or disrupted quite a few Al Qaed

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-21 Thread G
US before the Iraq invasionand its just a lot easier for them to say it now.   - Original Message -   From: Gruss Gott   To: CF-Community   Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 10:10 PM   Subject: Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again      To me the "war on terrorism

RE: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Andy Ousterhout
: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again   Someone should invade Holland.  I've had enough of those damn wooden   shoes and tulips.   - Original Message -   From: dana tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:22:53 -0600   Subject: Re: The Republican Fear Machine is

RE: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Andy Ousterhout
CTED]   Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 10:10 PM   To: CF-Community   Subject: Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again    Original Message -   From: Andy Ousterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   > It is a well known fact that they were funding suicide bombers in Israel.   Hey Andy,

RE: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Andy Ousterhout
on, 20 Sep 2004 15:45:20 -0500   Subject: RE: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again   To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   Gruss,   While you can argue about Iraq's interaction with Al Q., your statement below   is false.  It is a well known fact that they were funding suic

RE: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Machine is at it again   Sorry Andy, as you know I have some respect for your positions, but I   dont understand this one. In particular, what do you mean by this:     The 9/11 under Kerry is straight fear   tactic IMHO.   ? Thanks   Dana [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast

RE: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Andy Ousterhout
  Subject: Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again   erm... If this is a (the?) rationale for invasion, why are we not   invading Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan or countless other Arab states   that do precisely what Iraq did?   > It is a well known fact that they were funding suicide bombers

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Gruss Gott
Someone should invade Holland.  I've had enough of those damn wooden shoes and tulips. - Original Message - From: dana tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:22:53 -0600 Subject: Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Gruss Gott
Original Message - From: Andy Ousterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > It is a well known fact that they were funding suicide bombers in Israel. Hey Andy, It's also a well known fact that east coast catholics were funding guns and bombs for the Northern Irish.  The point is that every country ha

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
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Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> As for your last point, "winning hearts and minds" is most > definitely NOT a device i'd use towards measuring our > success in the war on terror. How well we disrupt and > limit terrorists from attacking Americans would be my > measure of success, whether that makes France happy or > not. > I t

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread dana tierney
Subject: RE: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gruss, While you can argue about Iraq's interaction with Al Q., your statement below is false.  It is a well known fact that they were funding suicide bombers in Israel. Andy   -Original Message-

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread dana tierney
Sorry Andy, as you know I have some respect for your positions, but I dont understand this one. In particular, what do you mean by this:   The 9/11 under Kerry is straight fear tactic IMHO. ? Thanks Dana [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread William Bowen
erm... If this is a (the?) rationale for invasion, why are we not invading Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan or countless other Arab states that do precisely what Iraq did? > It is a well known fact that they were funding suicide bombers in Israel. -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be

RE: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Gruss, While you can argue about Iraq's interaction with Al Q., your statement below is false.  It is a well known fact that they were funding suicide bombers in Israel. Andy   -Original Message-   From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Iraq, on the other hand, had nothing to do wi

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Gruss Gott
Vote for me OR DIE!   - Original Message - From: Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:40:53 -0400 Subject: Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Ok, first we have Cheney opine that if American elect

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Robert Munn
> Ok, first we have Cheney opine that if American elects John Kerry we > *will* have another terrorist attack a la 9/11, which was FUD crap. > > Now we have House Speaker Hastert claiming that Al Queda *wants* John > Kerry to win. > > Excuse me, but WHAT THE F*CK!??! Does Dennis have some sort

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Gruss Gott
on the other hand, has worked in both Northern Ireland and Turkey to name a few.  It's not perfect, but it's the only  option with a modicum of success. - Original Message - From: G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:15:33 -0500 Subject: Re: The Republican Fear Mac

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread G
ot. I think the Iraq war is a failure because it hasn't curbed terrorism, not because people who already hated America do so even more.   - Original Message -   From: Gruss Gott   To: CF-Community   Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 1:40 PM   Subject: Re: The Republican Fear Mach

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Gruss Gott
d is against us and near 90% of the Arab world. This means that if you use "winning hearts and minds" as a measure towards the goal of winning the war on terrorism, we're losing it. g - Original Message - From: G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:36:26 -05

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread G
we fighting, and to whom are we taking it? Not so clear.   - Original Message -   From: Gruss Gott   To: CF-Community   Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 11:24 AM   Subject: Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again      - Original Message -   This is the same logic that s

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Gruss Gott
- Original Message - From: Marwan Saidi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again Ok, first we have Cheney opine that if American elects John Kerry we *will* have another terrorist attack a la 9/11 - Original Message - This is the same logi

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Bill Wheatley
lieve it. THEY > DID!! > > People are stupid they will believe what they read unless there is > something to combat it. > > > > > - Original Message - > From: Marwan Saidi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:53:33 -0400 > Subject: Re:

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Bill Wheatley
AIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:53:33 -0400 Subject: Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >WASHINGTON - Campaign mail with a return address of the Republican National >Committee (news - web sites) warns West Virginia voters that

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Marwan Saidi
>WASHINGTON - Campaign mail with a return address of the Republican National >Committee (news - web sites) warns West Virginia voters that the Bible will be >prohibited and men will marry men if liberals win in November. > >Geez, this should really worry W.V. women.  I mean if their brothers marry

RE: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Andy Ousterhout
lol   -Original Message-   From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 9:32 AM   To: CF-Community   Subject: Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again   "The truth?  You can't handle the truth!"   - Jack Nicholson   (sorry,

RE: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Andy Ousterhout
WASHINGTON - Campaign mail with a return address of the Republican National Committee (news - web sites) warns West Virginia voters that the Bible will be prohibited and men will marry men if liberals win in November. Geez, this should really worry W.V. women.  I mean if their brothers marry men,

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Howie Hamlin
"The truth?  You can't handle the truth!" - Jack Nicholson (sorry, couldn't resist )   - Original Message -   From: Andy Ousterhout   To: CF-Community   Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 10:28 AM   Subject: RE: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again   Well, th

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Larry C. Lyons
As an aside, the wording of recent anti same sex marriage legislation in Virginia is so broad that it may ban any contract signed between people of the same sex. HMM maybe I could use this to get out of paying for our car, mortgage etc. larry On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:29:01 -0400, Marwan Saidi <[EM

RE: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Well, that brings it back to the other comment I read, which at the end of the day, we shouldn't care what Al Queda or anyone else "wants" first because they can't vote and second, we can never be sure what the truth is. Andy   -Original Message-   From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Marwan Saidi
Not that I see a problem with that... ;P I Keed... I keed... > Here's another one: > > A GOP mailing claims that the Bilble will be banned: > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Howie Hamlin
20, 2004 8:22 AM   Subject: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again   Ok, first we have Cheney opine that if American elects John Kerry we *will* have another terrorist attack a la 9/11, which was FUD crap.   Now we have House Speaker Hastert claiming that Al Queda *wants* John Kerry to win.

RE: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Thanks.  Very interesting   -Original Message-   From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Here's one article:   http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0621/dailyUpdate.html   And here's one from Fox News :)   http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,114489,00.html [Todays Threads] [This

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Marwan Saidi
Fair enough. I agree that they know what they will get from Bush. However, taken with the previous comments from Cheney, it just seems like a fear job at best, an attempt to paint a vote for Kerry as aligning with Al Queda at worst. My issue with it is that Hastert speaks as if he knows the politic

RE: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Andy Ousterhout
I am sorry, but what makes you think that this is not true?  With Bush, they know what they'll get.  With Kerry, even if he had a consistent position, he would be new and therefore might be more flexible.  And what in what Kerry has said makes you believe that Al Queda would prefer Bush over him?

RE: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Andy Ousterhout
ailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 8:15 AM   To: CF-Community   Subject: Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again   I would believe that more then i would believe they want Kerry to win.   - Original Message -   From: Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   Da

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread G
o: CF-Community   Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 7:22 AM   Subject: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again   Ok, first we have Cheney opine that if American elects John Kerry we *will* have another terrorist attack a la 9/11, which was FUD crap.   Now we have House Speaker Hastert claiming th

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Larry C. Lyons
ROTECTED]> wrote: > I've read reports that al Qaeda wants GW to win since recruitment is way up (seriously). >   - Original Message - >   From: Marwan Saidi >   To: CF-Community >   Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 8:22 AM >   Subject: The Republican Fear Machine is at

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Howie Hamlin
t: Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again   I would believe that more then i would believe they want Kerry to win.   - Original Message -   From: Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:11:27 -0400   Subject: Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again   

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Bill Wheatley
I would believe that more then i would believe they want Kerry to win. - Original Message - From: Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:11:27 -0400 Subject: Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've rea

Re: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Howie Hamlin
I've read reports that al Qaeda wants GW to win since recruitment is way up (seriously).   - Original Message -   From: Marwan Saidi   To: CF-Community   Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 8:22 AM   Subject: The Republican Fear Machine is at it again   Ok, first we have Cheney opine

The Republican Fear Machine is at it again

2004-09-20 Thread Marwan Saidi
Ok, first we have Cheney opine that if American elects John Kerry we *will* have another terrorist attack a la 9/11, which was FUD crap. Now we have House Speaker Hastert claiming that Al Queda *wants* John Kerry to win. Excuse me, but WHAT THE F*CK!??! Does Dennis have some sort of inside info