Re: What the USA Would do Without 11 Million Illegal Aliens

2007-06-25 Thread Cameron Childress
They both created it, but actually if we want to nit pick the US govt created this whole labor market back around WWII with a *legal* migrant worker program to support American farms during the war when so many farm workers were away fighting. Somewhere 'tween then and now the Govt lost it's grasp

Re: What the USA Would do Without 11 Million Illegal Aliens

2007-06-24 Thread Maureen
The workers didn't created the uneven playing field. The companies that hired them did. On 6/23/07, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They would be forced to get off their lazy asses and mow their own > lawns, cook their own food, and ***gasp*** apply free market > forces (

Re: What the USA Would do Without 11 Million Illegal Aliens

2007-06-24 Thread Cameron Childress
Technology/automation vs cheap labor is one thing. Technology/automation versus illegal labor (or illegally cheap) is another. Remove the illegal labor and I think the technology would advance faster, improving the US's competitiveness with both first and third world farms... -Cameron On 6/24/07,

Re: What the USA Would do Without 11 Million Illegal Aliens

2007-06-24 Thread Dinner
What I was getting at was that we are competing, more so every day, with the rest of the world. And teh 3rd world, in some cases. So, if the better tech IS the answer (which it always is, but some stuff is hard to automate), we'll get there even with cheap labor, cuz the automation is only viable

Re: What the USA Would do Without 11 Million Illegal Aliens

2007-06-23 Thread Cameron Childress
That's actually kinda my point - in agricultural areas where there isn't cheap labor available in the US, those areas have been automated. Areas with cheap (illegal) labor don't advance because the low costs farms have when they break labor laws. That, in my opinion, has been artificially suppress

Re: What the USA Would do Without 11 Million Illegal Aliens

2007-06-23 Thread Dinner
Our tech is the only reason we've been able to keep up with the rest of the world, actually. See tomato picking, for instance. We'd be slaughtered by 3rd worlders with plenty of cheap labor if we didn't have superior (and keep producing superior) technology. It's sorta artificial, anyways. We w

What the USA Would do Without 11 Million Illegal Aliens

2007-06-23 Thread Cameron Childress
They would be forced to get off their lazy asses and mow their own lawns, cook their own food, and ***gasp*** apply free market forces (aka: innovation) to fruit picking which have been artificially held back for THIRTY YEARS due to the uneven playing field that illegal and underpaid work