Re: competition as a health care model

2009-08-03 Thread Robert Munn
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Larry L wrote: > > What choice do you have now. You either use the insurance provider's > network or you pay through the nose. Some choice. It would seem to me that a > single payer system offers more choice, since all but a very small minority > of doctors are a

Re: competition as a health care model

2009-08-03 Thread Larry Lyons
>Ah, I see. I agree to a certain extent. Loss of choice is a real issue if we >go to a single-payer system, but loss of choice is not the issue that is >going to bankrupt us - demographics are. What choice do you have now. You either use the insurance provider's network or you pay through the no

Re: competition as a health care model

2009-08-02 Thread Robert Munn
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Dana wrote: > > I'm not sure I agree. What if we took care of chronic conditions before > they > degenerated into something ugly and life-threatening? It might actually be > cheaper than the current incredibly expensive system. We keep coming up with fancy new

Re: competition as a health care model

2009-08-02 Thread Dana
I'm not sure I agree. What if we took care of chronic conditions before they degenerated into something ugly and life-threatening? It might actually be cheaper than the current incredibly expensive system. Sure, the population is getting older, but this affects health care no more than say Social

Re: competition as a health care model

2009-08-02 Thread Robert Munn
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Dana wrote: > > like they aren't already though. But for anyone interested the notion of > comparitive shopping does not work for a patient that would be paying out > of > pocket. Nor I think, does it work for insurance plans. I was recently asked > if I want Love

Re: competition as a health care model

2009-08-02 Thread Dana
like they aren't already though. But for anyone interested the notion of comparitive shopping does not work for a patient that would be paying out of pocket. Nor I think, does it work for insurance plans. I was recently asked if I want Lovelace, Presbyterian or Molina. I have no clue -- I want wh

Re: competition as a health care model

2009-08-02 Thread Robert Munn
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Dana wrote: > > I have recently been researching the costs of certain drugs and procedures > and I have found a flaw in the idea that we can reduce costs through > competition Apparently one of the ideas floating around is to allow people to shop for insurance pl

Re: competition as a health care model

2009-08-02 Thread Dana
well, I agree with you actually, but I have my own reasons for persisting in this research. I just tried again and again wound up on a bunch on dumbed-down websites about what it *is,* where I want to know what it costs. Yahoo Answers has the question, but the answers are for an abdominal scan, w

Re: competition as a health care model

2009-08-02 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Without insurance that CAT scan will cost more than most peoples medical savings accounts and those that are left will find their account sorely drained. As someone who has paid for drugs and treatment both on and off insurance, I can tell you that medical insurance is totally needed. Just have a

Re: competition as a health care model

2009-08-02 Thread Dana
I am not going to comment on your business sense. But for this question, take insurance out of the picture. Gruss thinks we should all have medical savings accounts and shop around for our doctors/services. I am commenting that it does not seem to be possible to do so, at least not easily and usin

Re: competition as a health care model

2009-08-02 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Competition between insurance plans may work but for drugs? No way. This is what I said earlier about a centralized system. There are not a lot of drug companies out there and mostly a single company will produce a single drug. Even generics are not widely produced. Add that to the fact that many

competition as a health care model

2009-08-02 Thread Dana
I have recently been researching the costs of certain drugs and procedures and I have found a flaw in the idea that we can reduce costs through competition, an additional flaw beyind the fact that people really aren't shopping for price when they do shop, they are shopping for compatibility in out