Re: [pros/cons of working in a different state] If you really need work as a CF Programmer let me know.

2004-09-09 Thread Todd
A little too much information there ;) The only catch I can think of, off hand, is if you are married and your spouse works in the state you live in.  In that case, you would have to file for two different states.  My parents do this and they have never run into any problems either, and they have

Re: [pros/cons of working in a different state] If you really need work as a CF Programmer let me know.

2004-09-09 Thread Adam Haskell
Hum cool so maybe the real question is do I really want to say I live in Kentucky? ::runs to call hot cousin:: Adam H On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 21:31:13 -0400, Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I work in one state and live in another.  For me, there really is no > difference.  I just file state taxes f

Re: [pros/cons of working in a different state] If you really need work as a CF Programmer let me know.

2004-09-09 Thread Todd
I work in one state and live in another.  For me, there really is no difference.  I just file state taxes for the state I work in.  When I was unemployed for a while, I drew unemployment from the state I worked in as well. Actually, I got to choose which state I wanted the unemployment from since I

Re: If you really need work as a CF Programmer let me know.

2004-09-09 Thread Adam Haskell
With all this commute talk I am moving into a new job and I have to move how much of a pain in the butt is it to live in one state and work in another (taxes wise and anything else I might be missing). I'm planning to work in Cincinati Oh but looking at osme places in KY. Any thoughts on the matter

RE: If you really need work as a CF Programmer let me know.

2004-09-09 Thread Steven A. Sherman
I am not saying anything.  NDA what made me laugh was the name of his company.  It was opposite of his decision to post the information. LOL   _   From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 3:49 PM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: RE: If you really need work

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Connie DeCinko
Again I ask, what in the world does any of this have to do with ColdFusion jobs? [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

RE: If you really need work as a CF Programmer let me know.

2004-09-09 Thread Louis Mezo
One good thing about the commute in DC is the subway system, rated one of the best, cleanest and safest in the world. I try and line up something that's close to one of the subway stops if I can, as the subway system's coverage isn't quite as expansive as say London or NY. Not having to drive to do

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Louis Mezo
Well if things continue as they've been going for a long time now, only the few that represent me in the worst possible light will be featured right up front. As long as the whole thing can be seen in context, that's fine. But to edit everything and give it a slant is crossing the line. Thanks, Lo

Re: If you really need work as a CF Programmer let me know.

2004-09-09 Thread Asim Manzur
You are so bad Michael lol lol >But you do have beta access to Blackstone. :) >(for those who don't get the joke, read the CF-Talk archives) > >  _   > >Include me as a Job hunter in DC/Virginia Area. > >I don't have clearance, but I really wanna move to that area. >it would be great for a lo

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Peter Theobald
You do realize that THIS discussion will also show up in Google in the very near future? If I were you I would be more worried about how I sound in THIS discussion. At 09:53 AM 9/9/2004, Louis Mezo wrote: >  So, you would read all that stuff and come away thinking that you'd like >to >  do busines

RE: If you really need work as a CF Programmer let me know.

2004-09-09 Thread Michael Dinowitz
But you do have beta access to Blackstone. :) (for those who don't get the joke, read the CF-Talk archives)   _   Include me as a Job hunter in DC/Virginia Area. I don't have clearance, but I really wanna move to that area. it would be great for a long term contract or fulltime job. Thanks

Re: If you really need work as a CF Programmer let me know.

2004-09-09 Thread Asim Manzur
Include me as a Job hunter in DC/Virginia Area. I don't have clearance, but I really wanna move to that area. it would be great for a long term contract or fulltime job. Thanks An Advanced ColdFusion programmer. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Sett

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2004-09-09 Thread Michael Dinowitz
The only reason I'm not making the commute is because I have family. I'v got clearance (worked for the federal reserve on contract) and over 9 years solid CF experience. I could be very comfortable in DC, but my family would not be comfortable with me doing all the travel. :(   _   From: Stev

RE: If you really need work as a CF Programmer let me know.

2004-09-09 Thread Sandy Clark
I did, very happy.  I'm actually working in the Bethesda area (which when I do go to work, I mostly telecommute) is a 15 minute drive from my home.  My salary allows me to live comfortably and I know that if I choose to leave the company I am at (I'm not) that there are plenty of jobs in the area.

RE: If you really need work as a CF Programmer let me know.

2004-09-09 Thread Steven A. Sherman
Well, I came from San Diego and I will tell you I am much happier here!  The metro is awesome and if not you can "SLUG" (commuter lots).  I have to say the job security you get around here at a range of 80K to 125K is great.  A good CF Developer can be successful knowing that he/she can lean on the

Re: If you really need work as a CF Programmer let me know.

2004-09-09 Thread Neil Robertson-Ravo
Certainly cannot be as high as London!! Connie DeCinko wrote: >But what's the cost of living like in that area?  I heard it was pretty >high. > >  _   > >From: Steven A. Sherman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:29 AM >To: CF-Jobs-Talk >Subject: If you really n

Re: If you really need work as a CF Programmer let me know.

2004-09-09 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Its not that bad. It really depends on what part of the region you live in. If you live out in Prince William , Loudouin or Faquier Counties in Virginia, and the cost of living is much lower than in DC proper or some of the areas immediately surrounding  DC. However you pay for it in terms of the c

RE: If you really need work as a CF Programmer let me know.

2004-09-09 Thread Wallach, Levi
The real estate market here is insane, but if just want to rent, I don't think it's horrible, unless you pick some luxury high rises.  For other stuff it depends.  VA has darn low income taxes but it also has a car tax (slowly going away) and property tax.  DC and MD both have higher income taxes a

RE: If you really need work as a CF Programmer let me know.

2004-09-09 Thread Connie DeCinko
But what's the cost of living like in that area?  I heard it was pretty high.   _   From: Steven A. Sherman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:29 AM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: If you really need work as a CF Programmer let me know. If you can work on site in the

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Connie DeCinko
Same here.  Grow up.   _   From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:10 AM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: RE: Google your business name lately? No, I would laugh you right out of my office after reading this childish crap the past couple of days. Greg   ___

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Connie DeCinko
What does this thread have to do with ColdFusion jobs?   _   From: Louis Mezo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:57 AM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: RE: Google your business name lately? Oh really? Should I send you the PDF of what I'm seeing? Thanks, Louis

RE: If you really need work as a CF Programmer let me know.

2004-09-09 Thread Michael Dinowitz
As an aside here, there may be a business model in getting a large house or hotel for migrant programmers who come to DC for the week (or a day or so) and just need a place to stay.   _   From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 2:28 PM To: CF-Jobs-Ta

Re: If you really need work as a CF Programmer let me know.

2004-09-09 Thread Bill Wheatley
I might be moving back upto MD sometime soon so hopefully i can live in aberdeen and commute to DC. Better then living in Coral Springs and commuting to north miami. imho - Original Message - From: mdinowit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:34:57 -0400 Subject: RE: If you really

RE: If you really need work as a CF Programmer let me know.

2004-09-09 Thread mdinowit
Washington is GREAT for CF programmers and even better if you have clearance. It's even worth it to commute if need be.   _   From: Steven A. Sherman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 1:29 PM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: If you really need work as a CF Programmer let

If you really need work as a CF Programmer let me know.

2004-09-09 Thread Steven A. Sherman
If you can work on site in the DC area I get at least three job offers a week.  I used to post them on CF-Jobs.  Then I just got lazy and started sending others to the list.  The pay is good up here and I have never been offered less then 80k.   DC is really a great place to earn some real dough.

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Louis Mezo
I'm calling attention to a fact that I want to get info on, and info about which could be useful to others. I'll be talking with Google next. Thanks, Louis Mezo LogicSynthesis Tel: 240.498.8951 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.logicsynthesis.com -- Son, did you crack admin at http://www.logicsynthesi

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Michael Dinowitz
How do I put this as bluntly as possible. These lists are designed to be 100% indexed by Google and replicated to at least 6 other archives. Head hunters come to these lists in order to see what prospective employees are saying. Whatever you say here WILL be seen by others. This entire thread has

Postings

2004-09-09 Thread Steven A. Sherman
I am simply going to say this:  Be careful what you post it can be spidered and there for the world to see.  I have three accounts I post from. One where I answer questions and appear as the authority. One where I ask questions and look like a novice needing help.  Lastly, one where I get on and t

Re: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Bob Grody
Thanks for finally convincing me to get off this list.   - Original Message -   From: Louis Mezo   To: CF-Jobs-Talk   Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 1:06 PM   Subject: RE: Google your business name lately?   LOL This would be assuming that my reputation has somehow been "damaged" on

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Spike
Well thanks for finally clearing up what it is you were complaining about. It is worth pointing out that google adwords don't always appear on everyone's search results. They use a number of criteria including geographic ones to determine whether or not to show them. That would explain the to

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Louis Mezo
Feelings' mutual. Can't please all of the people all of the time. Thanks, Louis Mezo LogicSynthesis Tel: 240.498.8951 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.logicsynthesis.com -- Son, did you crack admin at http://www.logicsynthesis.com yet?   -Original Message-   From: Sear, Erik, CON, OASD(HA)/

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Jerry Johnson
I never noticed. Shows how much I read the adwords on a google search. But looking at it again, I see no adwords at all. Were they removed? What did I miss? *grumble, grumble* Jerry Johnson >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/09/04 12:51PM >>> I think what Louis is talking about is people buying google adw

Re: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Larry C. Lyons
smear? I did a google on logisynth and came up with www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/cache/11/0/294.htm Where you discussed onsite work, www.macromedia.com/cfusion/webforums/ forum/messageview.cfm?catid=14&threadid=873839 Where you were responding to a posting on the macromedia cf.classified foru

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Louis Mezo
LOL This would be assuming that my reputation has somehow been "damaged" on this list. Subjective at best... Thanks, Louis Mezo LogicSynthesis Tel: 240.498.8951 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.logicsynthesis.com -- Son, did you crack admin at http://www.logicsynthesis.com yet?   -Original Mess

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Louis Mezo
Thank you, Russ. I am already waiting on Google to get back to me. Thanks, Louis Mezo LogicSynthesis Tel: 240.498.8951 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.logicsynthesis.com -- Son, did you crack admin at http://www.logicsynthesis.com yet?   -Original Message-   From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTE

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Russ
I think what Louis is talking about is people buying google adwords advertisements which badmouth his site.  Well. that probably means you've got some enemies out there.  I would suggest going to google and complaining, as people are not allowed to use trademarked names as keywords in their ad camp

FW: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Louis Mezo
Nothing vague, just fact. First I want to know if there's anyone else who's in the same boat. If it were the name of your business, Bryan, you wouldn't be so apathetic, am I right? Thanks, Louis Mezo LogicSynthesis Tel: 240.498.8951 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.logicsynthesis.com -- Son, did you

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Louis Mezo
Sorry, not automated, but manual. Look at the results. Thanks, Louis Mezo LogicSynthesis Tel: 240.498.8951 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.logicsynthesis.com -- Son, did you crack admin at http://www.logicsynthesis.com yet?   -Original Message-   From: Stephen Moretti (cfmaster) [mailto:[E

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Louis Mezo
I would add to that "watch who is doing the adding of information about you and your company to search engines." Thanks, Louis Mezo LogicSynthesis Tel: 240.498.8951 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.logicsynthesis.com -- Son, did you crack admin at http://www.logicsynthesis.com yet?   -Original

Re: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Stephen Moretti (cfmaster)
Louis Mezo wrote: > The selection of the particular URLs that are returned on Google if > you run > a search on "logisynth" is what's suspect. Out of all of the material > available, this is what someone chose to represent me with? This is not > automation or chance, but deliberate. Anybody who d

Re: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Can this thread please be put to rest. A summary of "watch what is being said about your company on the net" is good and is all that needs to be said. An addition of "watch what you say on public lists that are replicated and indexed heavily by search engines" should be added. Thank you [Todays T

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Louis Mezo
Slander about a business is a legitimate subject, agreed. As far as I know this is what is being discussed now. Sorry if the discussion involves unnecessary stuff, but such is life on a forum. Thanks, Louis Mezo LogicSynthesis Tel: 240.498.8951 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.logicsynthesis.com -- S

Re: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Bryan Stevenson
Well Louis you haven't told anyone here exactly what has been saidso tell us and then mabye we can come to a conclusion. If someone was slandering my company I'd be doing just what Jeffery saidcallin the lawyer. Telling us really doesn't help you in any way.  It's like complaining to abou

Re: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Neil Robertson-Ravo
Any chance of posting some user account details?  I am want to see what all the fuss is about... Louis Mezo wrote: >The selection of the particular URLs that are returned on Google if you run >a search on "logisynth" is what's suspect. Out of all of the material >available, this is what someone

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Sear, Erik, CON, OASD(HA)/TMA
Louis, I would suggest that you have done more harm to your business with your postings over the last couple of days than the couple of detractors you found through Googling your company name.  As I would hope you are aware, business operates on relationships.  At this point I don't care how gre

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Wallach, Levi
Sheesh, leave it alone already.  I could care less whether someone badmouthed Louis or his company.  The internet is a big space and we actually all have pretty decent free speech rights.  Louis, you have a right to counter your critics by defending yourself on your site, etc.  Yes, it's always pos

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Louis Mezo
Nothing vague, just fact. First I want to know if there's anyone else who's in the same boat. If it were the name of your business, Bryan, you wouldn't be so apathetic, am I right? Thanks, Louis Mezo LogicSynthesis Tel: 240.498.8951 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.logicsynthesis.com -- Son, did you

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Jeffry Houser
If you truly feel that your business has been harmed by this, it is time to talk to your lawyer.   I do not think there is anything you can say on this list that will "repair" your and your businesses lost reputation. At 11:51 AM 9/9/2004, you wrote: >The selection of the particular URLs that a

Re: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Bryan Stevenson
Still pretty vague there Louis...*yawn* post the link(s) to the big conspiracy or fade into the ether Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electr

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Louis Mezo
The selection of the particular URLs that are returned on Google if you run a search on "logisynth" is what's suspect. Out of all of the material available, this is what someone chose to represent me with? This is not automation or chance, but deliberate. Anybody who doesn't know anything about me

Re: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
> Louisif you want to accuse somebody of something...do it...if not... > explain this cryptic thread Or better yet put it behind you and let this thread rest in peices. Hatton [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

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2004-09-09 Thread Bryan Stevenson
Louisif you want to accuse somebody of something...do it...if not...explain this cryptic thread Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electrice

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Jeffry Houser
It did not sway me either way.   We discussed the possibility of having you work for my company early last July, however you declined to discuss further because I wanted to work on a fixed fee basis and you were looking for hourly work. At 09:44 AM 9/9/2004, you wrote: >So, you would read all t

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Greg Luce
No, I would laugh you right out of my office after reading this childish crap the past couple of days. Greg   _   From: Louis Mezo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:45 AM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: RE: Google your business name lately? So, you would read all tha

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Louis Mezo
I'll be back in an hour or so.   -Original Message-   From: Louis Mezo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:45 AM   To: CF-Jobs-Talk   Subject: RE: Google your business name lately?   So, you would read all that stuff and come away thinking that you'd like to   

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Louis Mezo
So, you would read all that stuff and come away thinking that you'd like to do business with me? Thanks, Louis Mezo LogicSynthesis Tel: 240.498.8951 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.logicsynthesis.com -- Son, did you crack admin at http://www.logicsynthesis.com yet?   -Original Message-   F

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Louis Mezo
My friend, I don't know what discussion you were following. You're way off in left field. Thanks, Louis Mezo LogicSynthesis Tel: 240.498.8951 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.logicsynthesis.com -- Son, did you crack admin at http://www.logicsynthesis.com yet?   -Original Message-   From: Gr

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Jeffry Houser
I had followed a sampling of the links and found nothing.  I just went back and read the rest of them.   On the macromedia thread someone had posted an error they found on one of your sites.  You responded.  However, I didn't see anything negative. At 09:26 AM 9/9/2004, you wrote: >After you

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Greg Luce
OK, this isn't even interesting anymore. I doubt anyone is interested in doing business with this TOOL after the past 2 day's discussions. Sounds to me like he's some high school kid that needs some supervision. Greg   _   From: Louis Mezo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Josh Remus
I found some, you're not hallucinating.   -Original Message-   From: Louis Mezo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:26 AM   To: CF-Jobs-Talk   Subject: RE: Google your business name lately?   After you follow all the links and read all the material, you don't s

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Louis Mezo
After you follow all the links and read all the material, you don't see anything negative in total? Thanks, Louis Mezo LogicSynthesis Tel: 240.498.8951 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.logicsynthesis.com -- Son, did you crack admin at http://www.logicsynthesis.com yet?   -Original Message-

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Jeffry Houser
  A Houseoffusion threads regarding on-site work.   On Macromedia ColdFusion Support forum thread where someone needed help and you responded   Your elance profile   A link to your web site   Nothing that I would deem negative. At 09:06 AM 9/9/2004, you wrote: >Run a search on logisynth and fo

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Louis Mezo
Run a search on logisynth and follow all the links. Thanks, Louis Mezo LogicSynthesis Tel: 240.498.8951 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.logicsynthesis.com -- Son, did you crack admin at http://www.logicsynthesis.com yet?   -Original Message-   From: Adam Haskell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

Re: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Adam Haskell
I would be interested. I too couldn't find it? Adam H On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 08:57:00 -0400, Louis Mezo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh really? Should I send you the PDF of what I'm seeing? > > Thanks, > Louis Mezo > LogicSynthesis > Tel: 240.498.8951 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.logicsynthesis.

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Louis Mezo
Oh really? Should I send you the PDF of what I'm seeing? Thanks, Louis Mezo LogicSynthesis Tel: 240.498.8951 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.logicsynthesis.com -- Son, did you crack admin at http://www.logicsynthesis.com yet?   -Original Message-   From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTEC

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Jeffry Houser
"They" being Google?   Since I can't find the negative links you are referring to, I believe I am missing something in this conversation. At 08:39 AM 9/9/2004, you wrote: >The links I see now, and have been seeing for a long time, are selectively >negative, like they are trying to drive away bus

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Louis Mezo
The links I see now, and have been seeing for a long time, are selectively negative, like they are trying to drive away business. Thanks, Louis Mezo LogicSynthesis Tel: 240.498.8951 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.logicsynthesis.com -- Son, did you crack admin at http://www.logicsynthesis.com yet?

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Jeffry Houser
I had tried:    LogicSynthesis    Logic Synthesis    logisynth    logisynth.com    logicsynthesis.com   Before sending the previous email, and found nothing (except for "I am available" posts.   I reviewed your site again.  Do you really have the name "Secure E-Commerce Engine" trademarked?  Ve

RE: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Louis Mezo
Try all of the business name combinations. LogicSynthesis has only one software product, so you do the math. Thanks, Louis Mezo LogicSynthesis Tel: 240.498.8951 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.logicsynthesis.com -- Son, did you crack admin at http://www.logicsynthesis.com yet?   -Original Mess

Re: Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Jeffry Houser
I just Googled your company name and only found a handful of posts that you were looking for work.  I found no reviews good or bad.  Who and/or what did you see?  I was also unaware that Logic Synthesis had any flagship products.   Interestingly enough Googling on DotComIt (my company) came up

Google your business name lately?

2004-09-09 Thread Louis Mezo
This is why I don't post my resume to websites. I've been watching the search results returned when I run my business name on Google for some time now, and it looks like the smear fairy has been busy yet again. Do they really think that fabricating some small amount of negative buzz will keep word