Re: [CF-metadata] string valued coordinates

2014-10-30 Thread Hedley, Mark
Hello CF From: CF-metadata [cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu] on behalf of Jonathan Gregory [j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk] Yes, there are some standard names which imply string values, as Karl says. If the standard_name table says 1, that means the quantity is dimensionless, so it's also

Re: [CF-metadata] FW: realization | x of n

2014-10-30 Thread Hedley, Mark
Thank you for the discussion on the number of realizations in an ensemble. Please may people raise any further concerns about a new standard name: number_of_realizations with a canonical unit of '' and a description of The number of member realizations within a given ensemble. This name

Re: [CF-metadata] GRIB2 data cutoff

2014-10-30 Thread Hedley, Mark
Please could any further objections to this proposal be raised, as I would like this entry added to the standard names list. thank you mark From: CF-metadata [cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu] on behalf of Hedley, Mark [mark.hed...@metoffice.gov.uk] Sent: 02

Re: [CF-metadata] GRIB2 data cutoff

2014-10-30 Thread Jim Biard
Mark, I can't comment on usage, but I don't think '-' characters are allowed, so data_cutoff_time or data_cut_off_time are probably better choices. I like data_cutoff_time better, but that's just me. Grace and peace, Jim On 10/30/14, 4:40 AM, Hedley, Mark wrote: Please could any further

Re: [CF-metadata] GRIB2 data cutoff

2014-10-30 Thread Hedley, Mark
I prefer data_cutoff_time as well mark From: CF-metadata [cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu] on behalf of Jim Biard [jbi...@cicsnc.org] Sent: 30 October 2014 13:06 To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] GRIB2 data cutoff Mark, I can't comment on

Re: [CF-metadata] string valued coordinates

2014-10-30 Thread John Caron
My preference is that one explicitly puts in the units. For dimensionless, 1 or is ok for udunits. If the units attribute isnt there, I assume that the user forgot to specify it, so the units are unknown. Im not sure what CF actually says, but it would be good to clarify. John On Thu, Oct 30,

[CF-metadata] Suggestion for a new entry to the list of CF standard names

2014-10-30 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Birgit standard name: Ozone number density alternatively: Ozone number concentration unit: molecules/m^3 Some ozone satellite instruments (like the ?Stratospheric Aerosol and Gas Experiment?, SAGE, or the ?Polar Ozone and Aerosol Measurment?, POAM) measure ozone in their native

Re: [CF-metadata] string valued coordinates

2014-10-30 Thread Jim Biard
CF says that if the units attribute is missing, then the quantity has no units. The Conventions document, section 3.1 says: The|units|attribute is required for all variables that represent dimensional quantities (except for boundary variables defined inSection 7.1, Cell

Re: [CF-metadata] FW: realization | x of n

2014-10-30 Thread John Graybeal
Hi Mark, It is a worry if the definition is a repetition or variant of the words in the name. In particular, the word 'realization' will be meaningful to modelers/forecasters but not universally. My first desire was to generalize the term (e.g., 'how many entities are in a collection of

[CF-metadata] string valued coordinates

2014-10-30 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Mark area_type is given in the standard_name table as having a unit of 1. It is a categorical string-valued quantity. Sect 3.1 of CF 1.6 says Units are not required for dimensionless quantities. A variable with no units attribute is assumed to be dimensionless. However, a units attribute

[CF-metadata] FW: realization | x of n

2014-10-30 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Mark Please may people raise any further concerns about a new standard name: number_of_realizations with a canonical unit of '' and a description of The number of member realizations within a given ensemble. My concern is probably the same one as before. Sorry about that. Does

Re: [CF-metadata] FW: realization | x of n

2014-10-30 Thread Hedley, Mark
Thank you for the feeedback John: I like the text In a model or operational forecast, the number of member realizations within a given ensemble. This provides context for any specific realization, for example orienting a member relative to its original group (even if the group is no longer

Re: [CF-metadata] string valued coordinates

2014-10-30 Thread Hedley, Mark
The unit of '1' is generally used to indicate fractions and the like. In cases where I am storing a raw binary value, I leave off the units attribute, as the 'number' isn't something that should be treated as a decimal quantity. This is the same behaviour as I was looking to adopt, but CF

Re: [CF-metadata] realization | x of n

2014-10-30 Thread John Graybeal
Glad you liked the text! Regarding 'given ensemble' vs 'original ensemble', how can we resolve the ambiguity? That is, if you use this attribute, how will the user know what ensemble the attribute is in reference to? If the 'common practice among forecasters' (and required capability) is

Re: [CF-metadata] string valued coordinates

2014-10-30 Thread Eizi TOYODA
Hi Mark, a unit of '' has a definition of '?' So why don't you propose '?' as the units? Best Eizi 2014/10/31 7:21 Hedley, Mark mark.hed...@metoffice.gov.uk: The unit of '1' is generally used to indicate fractions and the like. In cases where I am storing a raw binary value, I leave off

Re: [CF-metadata] string valued coordinates

2014-10-30 Thread John Graybeal
Thanks for summing this up so neatly Mark! We could take the view that the conventions would benefit from the addition of some text into 3.1 to explicitly make the point about quantities which are not dimensioned or dimensionless. We could alternatively defer to udunits as most unit