Pretty good read in general too about UDFs in sql
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From: John Wilker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 11:55 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SQL Question. Compare one list to ano
Ah, duh, missed the trailing "d" on the next line. my bad.
On 12/5/05, Bobby Hartsfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Not if you piece it back together right
>
> http://mkruger.cfwebtools.com/index.cfm
> ?mode=alias
> &alias=sql%20udf%20listfind
>
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> Bobby Hart
Not if you piece it back together right
http://mkruger.cfwebtools.com/index.cfm
?mode=alias
&alias=sql%20udf%20listfind
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From: John Wilker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2
BTW, that link leads to a page with no entries.
On 12/5/05, Mark A Kruger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You can create a UDF (in SQL - not CF) that mimics the "listfind"
> function,
> then loop through list "A" and check list "B". I have a blog on how to do
> that UDF.
>
>
> http://mkruger.cfweb
> -Original Message-
> From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 7:27 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: OT: JSON
>
> I'm trying to return a structure of errors to my Ajax call. If there
> are no errors, it will return an empty structure called errors. The
>
Thanks guys, I did notice that cfabort totally killed not just the
component but the calling page as well!
Doh!
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From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2005 3:14 p.m.
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: cfabort
Those CFABORT tags will never exe
Those CFABORT tags will never execute, because the CFRETURN tags will
return control back to the calling code. Smarter compilers will
generate a compile-time warning about it.
In general, your CFC should never use CFABORT. CFRETURN and CFTHROW
provide the same functionality (from the CFC's point
But why would you? Cfreturn ends the processing. I would generally only
ever use a cfabort when debugging or in case of some fatal error.
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From: Mike | NZSolutions Ltd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2005 3:01 p.m.
To: CF-Talk
Subject: cfabort
Hi g
Hi guys,
Just a quick question, is it good practice to use a cfabort in a .cfc
file?
Basically...
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/**
* Function: findPosX
* Finds the current X position of the passed in object
*
* From:
* http://blog.firetree.net/2005/07/04/javascript-find-position/
*
* Parameters:
* obj - a proper html item, div for example
*
* Returns:
* the x position on screen
*/
function findPo
Lol go back to your hole! Use email rather than archives so you can filter
it out ;-)
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From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 7:13 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re:
CF-COMMUNITY PLEASE!
:)
Will
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Cool I'll take a look.
No it's not the best idea. I agree. It's what I had though.
Though I'm curious, what are others thoughts to better implementations?
On 12/5/05, Mark A Kruger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You can create a UDF (in SQL - not CF) that mimics the "listfind"
> function,
> the
I'm trying to return a structure of errors to my Ajax call. If there
are no errors, it will return an empty structure called errors. The
eval'ing this string "{"errors":{null}}" causes javascript to barf.
Is this the right format for JSON to represent an empty structure?
Thanks
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A s
I just watched the Breeze show .. and read the FAQ on the change.
Don't you just love those lovely words like "outplacement" and "transition".
Imagine telling your bank manager, "I'm just going through this 'transition'
thing ..." hmmm
I'd comment there is very little mention of CF in the spe
You can create a UDF (in SQL - not CF) that mimics the "listfind" function,
then loop through list "A" and check list "B". I have a blog on how to do
that UDF.
http://mkruger.cfwebtools.com/index.cfm?mode=alias&alias=sql%20udf%20listfin
d
-Mark
P.S. Obviously, storing lists in columns doesn't l
I've got a table with a column that holds a comma seperated list of keywords.
I'm just not seeing the solution right now.
I've got a keyword search where the user can put in a comma seperated list of
keywords. I need the query to search the DB to see if any of the keywords match
the keywords in
I've got a table with a column that holds a comma seperated list of
keywords. I'm just not seeing the solution right now.
I've got a keyword search where the user can put in a comma seperated list
of keywords. I need the query to search the DB to see if any of the keywords
match the keywords in th
I'm trying to help a friend of mine that had been the Manager of
Applications for 16 years at a local hospital until a couple weeks
ago. They cut about 30 jobs and his was one of them. If you know of
anything in the Texarkana (on the Ark/Tx border) area it would be
appreciated.
Thank you and sorry
nope...no fix :-(
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VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
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To:
" C'mon... he can barely carry that big head of his around as it is..."
i know its kinda like a 3rd leg..
~Dave the disruptor~
good sites - make money getting rid of ie :)
http://explorerdestroyer.com/
http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/
From: "Bobby Har
yeah i know, thats another problem with that damn dhtml( it positions off of
browser not position), have u got a fix 4 that?
Luckily the majority of the target audience doesn't have big screen sizes
~Dave the disruptor~
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I do rather like the factory air on this fine lady.
M!ke
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http://blog.teenalix.com/?page_id=2
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C'mon... he can barely carry that big head of his around as it is...
..
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..
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Ps... Sam looks much better in that shirt than dave does... thats for sure.
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From:
not on a Mac, but your sub-menus show way to the right (big gap between main
menu and sub-menu) on a widescreen monitor...if I shrink the window to cut off
on rigt hand side of menusubs show under to the left of parent menu item.
Cheers
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce De
tu :)
the menu is still rather ugly which im working on and last minute fixes then
releasing tonight, at least whats done.
im trying really hard not to make any sly comments about fish kissing
~Dave the disruptor~
good sites - make money getting rid of ie :)
http://explorerdestroyer.com/
htt
anyone on a mac have time to look at his a sec
http://65.36.226.10/products/evolution/evolution.cfm
on firefox os x the menu expands UNDER the scrollbar, was wondering if its
maybe something or an extension i have or if others see it as well and if so
any cures?
~Dave the disruptor~
good sites
lol
~Dave the disruptor~
good sites - make money getting rid of ie :)
http://explorerdestroyer.com/
http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/
From: "Bryan Stevenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 4:47 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: bye MM :( ::
lol, well im talking about in person not just on puter screen... ;)~
~Dave the disruptor~
good sites - make money getting rid of ie :)
http://explorerdestroyer.com/
http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/
From: "Dawson, Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Mon
I'm no fisherman, but that's a pretty nice site. I like the enlarging
navigation, but I'm not sure about the fish-kisser.
http://65.36.226.10/content/discontinued_Spools.cfm
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> You're 100% percent absolutely right Bryan...
>
> You will get ignored. =P
>
> Cheers,
>
> Kevin
>
Well at least you didn't ignore me Kev ;)
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8
> lets see now, the disruptor hangs with girls like
> http://www.jamwerx.com/da_mega_stud.jpg
That's all they let ya do eh Dave...hang with them...LMAO!! ;-)
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cel
On 12/5/05, Bryan Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here's a novel approach...why don't we wait and see how the newly merged
> company
> handles itself...and perhaps try hard to send them well thought out
> suggestions
> to nudge them in the right direction?
>
> Then...IF they make a mess we
We hired a guy that loves PS. When I watch him do tasks in PS that
require more keystrokes or mouse movements than FW, it makes me chuckle.
I used to love Paint Shop Pro since I came from a place where getting $
for software was a pain. Since I switched to FW a couple of years ago,
I would choos
>lets see now, the disruptor hangs with girls like
http://www.jamwerx.com/da_mega_stud.jpg
Wait, you mean the one on the left or right?
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You're 100% percent absolutely right Bryan...
You will get ignored. =P
Cheers,
Kevin
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From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: December 5, 2005 3:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: bye MM :( :: welcome Adobe :)
I know I'll get ignored...but
Here's a nov
>lets see now, the disruptor hangs with girls like
http://www.jamwerx.com/da_mega_stud.jpg
Jeez, who hasn't?
;-)
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Wow, you gave your boyfriend a ColdfusionMX shirt, that's pretty cool. Your
really cute, but you really need to work on your taste in guys.
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Application Developer
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From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 4:30 PM
To: CF-Talk
S
On 12/5/05, Bryan Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Larry ;-)
Ditto. I must be spending more time under my rock than I thought.
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I hope they keep fw too, like u said, one of the biggest and best things on
there is fw blows ps away in saving files much much smaller.
Some things are just easier and better in fw, like look at the price boxes here
http://65.36.226.10/content/discontinued_Spools.cfm
I couldnt even get them rig
I know I'll get ignored...but
Here's a novel approach...why don't we wait and see how the newly merged
company
handles itself...and perhaps try hard to send them well thought out suggestions
to nudge them in the right direction?
Then...IF they make a mess we can whine and complain...but un
yes will I forget how umm *choke* "handsome" ur lol
lets see now, the disruptor hangs with girls like
http://www.jamwerx.com/da_mega_stud.jpg
and now lets see your jeri-curled delight hehe
~Dave the disruptor~
good sites - make money getting rid of ie :)
http://explorerdestroyer.com/
http://www
Have you tried installing httplook on the server and seeing what's going on
'behind the scenes'?
-Original Message-
From: Yves Leung-Tack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:24 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: MX7 CFHTTP : connection failure with Proxy
>1) Just thinkin
Thanks Larry ;-)
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: www.electricedgesystems.com
~~~
>1) Just thinking out loud, but are you sure that you can connect to the
>proxy url (http://myproxy/cgi-bin/mro/perlFile.pl, in your example) from
>the ColdFusion MX7 server? Have you tried using cfexec to ping the proxy
>from within a cf page? Have you tried using cfexec and wget to see if
>you ca
>1) Just thinking out loud, but are you sure that you can connect to the
>proxy url (http://myproxy/cgi-bin/mro/perlFile.pl, in your example) from
>the ColdFusion MX7 server? Have you tried using cfexec to ping the proxy
>from within a cf page? Have you tried using cfexec and wget to see if
>you ca
Now I spewed mountain dew lol
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From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 4:16 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF-Talk: Digest every hour
Yea, those digests can be hi
I just hope they keep going with the Fireworks programs. I had never used
Fireworks until about two years ago. Up until then I was a Photoshop / Image
ready person. I only started using Fireworks cause I had to for my new job.
However, two years later, Fireworks is by far the best web-development
g
>
>If I know what the CF_Accelerate tag does to speed up CF...then mabye I could
>provide some assistance.
>
Bryan,
CF_accellerate is a fairly nice custom tag that caches parts or entire CF
pages. it was written by Brandon Purcell of Macromedia/Adobe. It really does
speed up cf pages. You can
>sorry wilber but tears 4 fears DOES NOT rock!!
Hey guy, I can change the music I listen to, but you gotta keep that face the
rest of your life! LOL!!!
Will
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Ray
Donna French wrote:
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>
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I just installed Firefox 1.5 and so far it seems much more stable. Memory usage
seems to hover around 65-70k. I guess time well tell if Firefox is more
friendly and plays nicer than it did.
> I was wondering if any of you have had problems with Firefox not
> releasing memory and crashing. Ther
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I'm 25, so please don't think I can't let go of the past... I really don't
have much of one yet. =]
I look at Adobe software and see poor, bogged down code that chokes even the
most powerful PC's. I see a huge opportunity for them to create an amazing
suite of products tailored for the web industr
LMFAO
cappichino just came out me nose!!! hahaha
sorry wilber but tears 4 fears DOES NOT rock!!
~Dave the disruptor~
good sites - make money getting rid of ie :)
http://explorerdestroyer.com/
http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/
From: "Bobby Hartsfield" <[EM
Hey, now waitaminnit! I don't drink Bud! ;)
Ken Ferguson wrote:
> Somewhere there's a ColdFusion developer sitting in his old house with
> fake wood paneling listening to the Beatles on 8-track, looking out the
> window at his 1975 Ford truck with 320,000 miles, feeling comfortable in
> a pai
Change beatles to tears for fears and you'll make Dave the disruptor laugh.
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From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:10 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: bye MM :( :
Ken Ferguson wrote:
> Somewhere there's a ColdFusion developer sitting in his old house with
> fake wood paneling listening to the Beatles on 8-track, looking out the
> window at his 1975 Ford truck with 320,000 miles, feeling comfortable in
> a pair of jeans he's had since high school and a t-shir
If you change out that old rotary dial phone with a copy of homesite then you
got it pretty right ;)
personally, i'm thinking this is gunna be a good thing.
~Dave the disruptor~
good sites - make money getting rid of ie :)
http://explorerdestroyer.com/
http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/
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Somewhere there's a ColdFusion developer sitting in his old house with
fake wood paneling listening to the Beatles on 8-track, looking out the
window at his 1975 Ford truck with 320,000 miles, feeling comfortable in
a pair of jeans he's had since high school and a t-shirt from the days
of the C
http://blogs.adobe.com/ is being picked up by mxna now too. soon to
be renamed too I suppose, what AXNA?
Now if adobe can just get a nice Flash intro thingy on the home page
instead of the current elementary one, eh?
DK
On 12/5/05, Kevin Aebig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've got this really
I've got this really bad feeling in the pit of my stomach... but that could
be the burrito I had for lunch.
Adobe... please don't bog down everything like you did to Illustrator!
!K
-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: December 5, 2005 12:31 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subje
At 08:11 AM 12/5/2005, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote:
> >> That said, though, claiming it's detrimental to performance is wildly
>false.
>
>Erm, no it is true... check BOL.
>
>Naming it with "sp_" can reduce reduce performance. When you call a stored
>procedure that starts with sp_, SQL Server
The 'formerly macromedia' makes it... I dont know... so 'official' and
eulogistic.
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From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 1:31 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: bye MM :( :: we
http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/acquisition_complete/main.html
It's a Breeze thing :)
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I guess it's done
http://www.macromedia.com/
Adobe please don't F*CK it up or ELSE ;)
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Sorry, I can't help but...
I must say that this is one of the longest disclaimers I have encountered.
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Sorry, I can't help but...
I must say that this is one of the longest disclaimers I have
encountered.
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Registered in England, Number 678540. It
great idea Michael!
function syntax would rock for sure.
On 12/5/05, Gaulin, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> How about writing functions (var, return, arguments, etc)?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 10:46 AM
How about writing functions (var, return, arguments, etc)?
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From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 10:46 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Complete CFSCRIPT
A long while ago I wrote some step by step docs for CFSCRIPT:
http://www.houseoff
Hi all,
I have just been playing around with ARF! - anyone else been playing with
it? Despite having to alter some code to get it to work (expected in an
alpha!). I have noticed some bugs and would like to log them.
Anyone know if there is a way to log these with Joe (or where you can pitch
in?!)
A lot of times, with web services, you run into caching issues.
Restart your CF server to flush the cache and try your service.cfc
again.
One easy way around this is to make a facade of your cfc, a front-end
that really doesn't change, and all it does is call your real cfc that
you can change at w
A long while ago I wrote some step by step docs for CFSCRIPT:
http://www.houseoffusion.com/docs/cfscript.htm
I've decided to update them to include everything you could ever want to know
about the tag, related syntax and functions. I've started it here:
http://www.houseoffusion.com/docs/cfscript/
Ben,
That makes sense, except for the fact that as far as I can find, there
is no programatic way to get a list of the current scheduled tasks.
Hence why I was looking to the admin api for that feature.
Do you know a way using cfschedule or any other programatic way to get
at the current schedul
Ryan,
If I recall correctly, features that could already be controlled
programmatically were not added to the Admin API. As things like scheduling
and Verity manipulation are already supported programmatically, these would
fall into that category.
--- Ben
-Original Message-
From: Ryan G
Yeah, I have found a way to do it with the servicefactory, but the
service factory is sort of a "undocumented feature" and I really dont
want to rely on it if I can get around it. Plus the service factory
isn't usually very fast, although it seems to work okay for this.
Thanks,
On 12/5/05, Rober
Hello Yves,
1) Just thinking out loud, but are you sure that you can connect to the
proxy url (http://myproxy/cgi-bin/mro/perlFile.pl, in your example) from
the ColdFusion MX7 server? Have you tried using cfexec to ping the proxy
from within a cf page? Have you tried using cfexec and wget to see i
I believe they are held in an XML file...something like neo-chron.xml (not
sure on that) - you could no doubt dump that out directly.
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From: Ryan Guill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 05 December 2005 16:05
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Scheduled Tasks
Hey guys,
In cfmx 7,
Hey guys,
In cfmx 7, is there any way, using the Admin API to work with the
scheduled tasks? I know I can use to run, delete and
update (update and create) scheduled tasks, but I dont see a way to
get a list of the scheduled tasks.
I dont see anything in the livedocs about working with schedule
I had lots of issues with a cfc as a webservice name support.cfc
renaming it fixed everything.
anyone else have a problem like this.
Tyler Clendenin
GSL Solutions
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Ian,
Look at it from this way, when you call a method you need to know who has the
right to continue, so the question you asked means you need to handshake with
each other to determine who your talking too.
Basic rules, do they have the right to enter the door.
Regards,
Andrew Scott
Ok, but
>> That said, though, claiming it's detrimental to performance is wildly
false.
Erm, no it is true... check BOL.
Naming it with "sp_" can reduce reduce performance. When you call a stored
procedure that starts with sp_, SQL Server always checks the master database
first, even if the stored proce
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At 03:51 AM 12/5/2005, you wrote:
>NOTE: You should avoid using "sp_" as the prefix for user stored procedures
>- it can be detrimental to performance.
The purpose of that, in this case, is use in any database without
having to specifically create the procedure in each when created in
the maste
NOTE: You should avoid using "sp_" as the prefix for user stored procedures
- it can be detrimental to performance.
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From: Phillip Beazley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 03 December 2005 16:15
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Stored Proc
Here's a small stored procedure that
Mathematical operation like this could be detrimental to SQL's performance -
you would have to run test on thisI reckon I this case a CFC would be
better placed for memory intensive operations.
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Sent: 02 December 2005 22:57
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