Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?

2011-01-29 Thread Scott Brady
To be fair to Adobe, two of the products you mentioned they killed off were a result of the Macromedia purchase which led to them having duplicate products (Dreamweaver vs. GoLive, Freehand vs. Illustrator, Fireworks vs. ImageReady, etc.), so it made sense from a business standpoint to kill one

Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?

2011-01-29 Thread Michael Grant
Damn Den. I love reading your posts. Thanks for the morning giggle. On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 2:03 AM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Michael Grant wrote: I can sleep, no worries mate. The strength of your opinion belies that statement. You know

Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?

2011-01-29 Thread Michael Grant
I know so much about marketing from my experience with small/midtier companies in completely different lines of business that I can accurately make a cost-benefit analysis without any background information other than my own wild-ass guesses. Well yours is certainly more jaded and much

Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?

2011-01-29 Thread Jeffrey Battershall
I, for one, would like to acknowledge you for the entertainment value you bring to this list. Thank you. Jeff On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote: I know so much about marketing from my experience with small/midtier companies in completely different

Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?

2011-01-29 Thread Michael Grant
You should see me dance. On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Jeffrey Battershall jbattersh...@gmail.com wrote: I, for one, would like to acknowledge you for the entertainment value you bring to this list. Thank you. Jeff On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote:

Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?

2011-01-29 Thread Raymond Camden
Spectra did sell well. I don't have the sales #s but it was a good seller - especially in Europe I believe. Allaire did not cancel it - Macromedia did. On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Scott Brady dsbr...@gmail.com wrote: To be fair to Adobe, two of the products you mentioned they killed off

Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?

2011-01-29 Thread Mark Drew
Yeah, it was Macromedia MD On 29 Jan 2011, at 14:59, Raymond Camden rcam...@gmail.com wrote: Spectra did sell well. I don't have the sales #s but it was a good seller - especially in Europe I believe. Allaire did not cancel it - Macromedia did. On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Scott

RE: ajax tutorials for form objects

2011-01-29 Thread Rick Faircloth
+1 -Original Message- From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz] Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 7:39 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: ajax tutorials for form objects I generally prefer to use JQuery over CF's built in stuff. I find it to be more steamlined. Plus I think you can probably

Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?

2011-01-29 Thread Dave Watts
So I'll say again that we must agree to disagree here sir. It's clear I'm not swaying you in any way. And it seems clear you think I'm a fool. The beauty of HOF is that's it's made of so many opinionated people. I don't think you're a fool, I just disagree with you on this specific issue. But

Re: Anyone know anything about this new ColdFusion conference?

2011-01-29 Thread Dave Watts
I look at is as more of a break dancing crew scenario:  We battle each other to push ourselves, so that we can go out there and form like Voltron when battling the other crews (PHP, .NET, etc.). It doesn't need to be contentious.  Friendly competition is where it's at, yo. This is not how

Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?

2011-01-29 Thread Mike Chabot
ColdFusion has been around for over 15 years and has survived two corporate takeovers. That is a remarkable accomplishment considering how many other products and technologies have not survived. ColdFusion must be doing something right. I usually mention this point when asked about the future of

Re: ajax tutorials for form objects

2011-01-29 Thread Gerald Guido
+1 to Rick's +1 to Michael's suggestion. One of the great things about CF is the cfc's can automatically return arrays in JSON format that jQuery can consume. Like so: cffunction name=default returntype=Array returnformat=JSON I can tell you first hand that formatting JSON by hand from a

Re: Anyone know anything about this new ColdFusion conference? [spamtrap bayes][spamtrap heur]

2011-01-29 Thread Paul Hastings
On 1/29/2011 1:26 PM, denstar wrote: Not /exactly/ infinitesimal, but it ain't no flood of newbs, neither. that sample size is more or less useless to base the rest of your arguments on. I don't know how much that has to do with the entrance of the open source engines as viable

RE: why is cf_builder so expensive? (Revisited)

2011-01-29 Thread Andrew Scott
I have created a few video's to highlight some of these problems if anyone is interested. Also I did a video on another problem I had with migrating over to ColdFusion 9 as per a blog post I wrote. I did this video because I got a bit of flak on that post, because one person in particular