Re: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

Someone has to say it: I came across my first "ColdFusion is dying" thread when I was considering upgrading my server to ... CF 3.1. That was here I think. Maybe it was the Allaire forum. Too many dead brain cells between then and now to be sure. -- --m@Robertson-- Janitor, The Robertson Tea

Re: CFML tags was: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

>>Www.railodocs.org Much better than the last time I tried indeed. Thanks. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.hou

Re: CFML tags was: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

Www.railodocs.org Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 18 Mar 2014 18:57, <> wrote: > > >>If the "Railo Company" would do some marketing > > If they would above all produce some documentation! > I wanted to give it a try a couple of years ago, but the do

Re: CFML tags was: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

>>I'd *much* rather have CF complain than silently ignore a bad argument. I must admit I agree with you ;-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=house

Re: Allow Extra Attributes in AttributeCollection

>>like cfcomponent and cffunction (cfargument too I think). cfmodule as well. Yes, but not cfparam unfortunately. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag

Re: CFML tags was: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

I don't know - I mean - imagine if CF ignored extra tags, and you had Then you quit to become a Ruby developer. The next dev comes along who isn't quite so familiar with CF and assumes that argument is doing something even though it isn't. Or heck, take Raymond Camden, a guy who has used CF fo

Re: Allow Extra Attributes in AttributeCollection

I should point out - there ARE some tags where you are allowed to add random crap, like cfcomponent and cffunction (cfargument too I think). cfmodule as well. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 2:53 PM, <> wrote: > > However, this will work: > > --->> > > Ugly, but it works. > > > > > ~

Re: CFML tags was: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

Better than nothing, but still not very developer friendly. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/gr

Re: CFML tags was: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

The docs in the railo admin are updated with the specific railo additions. In the wiki is stated which functions are not supported from CF9/10 or have differences in use/outcome. Also if there is a function missing certain arguments/options in Railo from the CF version, a simple bug report and ma

Re: Allow Extra Attributes in AttributeCollection

However, this will work: > Ugly, but it works. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-t

Re: CFML tags was: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

>>The docs about functions and tags are the same as the CF docs I could work using the CF docs, but if there is the slightest difference, plus or minus, I need to be easily aware of it. It is so important in my mind that I finaly prefered to buy the CF 9 server. ~~

Re: CFML tags was: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

Docs are still not "commercial" level, but there is more info available about Railo in the Github wiki. The docs about functions and tags are the same as the CF docs (available in the railo admin). But yes, docs have been a big discussion point on the Railo mailinglist but without any good soluti

Re: Allow Extra Attributes in AttributeCollection

>>No. Too bad :-( ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:35803

Re: Allow Extra Attributes in AttributeCollection

No. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 2:30 PM, <> wrote: > > Hi, > > In the administrator, there is a check bor that makes possible to > "Specify whether ColdFusion tags can pass non-standard attributes in the > attributecollection structure." > > But apparently it does not make posssible to pass non-sta

Allow Extra Attributes in AttributeCollection

Hi, In the administrator, there is a check bor that makes possible to "Specify whether ColdFusion tags can pass non-standard attributes in the attributecollection structure." But apparently it does not make posssible to pass non-standard attributes in an ordinary tag in the code. For instance

Re: CFML tags was: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

>>If the "Railo Company" would do some marketing If they would above all produce some documentation! I wanted to give it a try a couple of years ago, but the documentation was just an arrid desert, so I gave up. Is it any better now ? ~~

Re: CFML tags was: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

Marketing wise, Adobe is doing not a lot to nothing. If the "Railo Company" would do some marketing, I bet they would take even more market share from Adobe. 2014-03-18 19:16 GMT+01:00 <>: > > I completely agree with you, on all points. > > > ~

Re: CFML tags was: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

I completely agree with you, on all points. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/mes

Re: Adobe Installers

I will concede that once I got the download manager installed, the actual download process was simpler. I still find it extremely slow as compared to downloads of equivalent size from other sites. The update for Premiere Pro took 34 minutes using Comcast Business Internet 150 and clocking test s

RE: CFML tags was: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

I come from the days of Everyware and Pervasive using the Tango technology. Same idea as CF being a tag-based language with an application server. Tag-based is easier to learn and has many benefits. When Macromedia bought CF, it was a God-send to integrate CF and Dreamweaver together without ha

Re: Adobe Installers

So it sounded like you had some trouble with the older installs. That's unfortunate - but we were talking about the current installer. ;) Now you said you are downloading 8 apps - "ponderously download" - you do recognize that it may take time to download 8 separate large programs, right? You can

Adobe Installers

So after the conversation last night, I tried to check for an update to Dreamweaver. Selecting the update menu item in Dreamweaver told me my version of Abode Application Manager was corrupt. I went to the website, searched for Adobe Application Manager and was given this link: https://creative.a

Re: CFML tags was: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

>>But the bulk of your *code* should be separate from your views. Well, if you really like masochistic constraints like MVC just to make things more "accademic", you can, but you will still use CF to code the views and the data, and working with the same language in the SGML family simply make

Re: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 10:21 AM, wrote: > Excuse my ignorance, but what is CC? > Creative Cloud. Adobe's software rental program. -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfus

Re: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

Creative Cloud. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 9:21 AM, <> wrote: > > >>You don't find the CC installer to be a heck of a lot simpler? > > Excuse my ignorance, but what is CC? > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http

Re: CFML tags was: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

>> But the bulk of your *code* should be separate from your views. So be > nowhere *near* HTML. So, accordingly, the reason for having tag-based > constructs in CFML should not be relevant in almost all your code. > > Presuming you are doing a MVC framework. MVC and/or frameworks aren't the rea

Re: CFML tags was: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

On 18 March 2014 14:53, Phillip Vector wrote: > > > But the bulk of your *code* should be separate from your views. So be > nowhere *near* HTML. So, accordingly, the reason for having tag-based > constructs in CFML should not be relevant in almost all your code. > > Presuming you are doing a MVC

Re: CFML tags was: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

> But the bulk of your *code* should be separate from your views. So be nowhere *near* HTML. So, accordingly, the reason for having tag-based constructs in CFML should not be relevant in almost all your code. Presuming you are doing a MVC framework. ~

Re: CFML tags was: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

> > >>how is it being tag-oriented a dev-friendly thing? > > Just because the code and the HTML it is intended to produced are > integrated within the same syntax. > That makes any template looks like ONE program written in ONE language, > not a program written in one language and another program

Re: CFML tags was: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

And people wonder why they think ColdFusion is old and outdated when someone comes along and makes the comment that tags are the best thing about ColdFusion Really, it was in the days when that was the thing, 20 years later the world has moved on and so should those developers who continually

Re: CFML tags was: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

On Mar 18, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Adam Cameron wrote: > > Tag-based code is godawful anywhere other than in a view, or some other > situation in which text-processing is needed. Which does not describe an > awful lot of CFML code out there. > > That Macromedia/Adobe pushed the tag side of CFML over

Re: CFML tags was: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

>>Give it's unlike any other language one might already know, Come on, can you imagine a CF developper who wouldn't know at least HTML? >>how is it being tag-oriented a dev-friendly thing? Just because the code and the HTML it is intended to produced are integrated within the same syntax. Th

Re: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

>>You don't find the CC installer to be a heck of a lot simpler? Excuse my ignorance, but what is CC? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusi

CFML tags was: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

> > > >>so some people think it is not real code > > ... and these people are real morons ;-) > Being tag oriented, compatible with HTML, makes CF the most developper > friendly language ever. > > Give it's unlike any other language one might already know, how is it being tag-oriented a dev-frien

Re: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

>>so some people think it is not real code ... and these people are real morons ;-) Being tag oriented, compatible with HTML, makes CF the most developper friendly language ever. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now!

RE: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

For us, what we've encountered include: 1. It's more expensive to host CF and there are few host (somewhat true) 2. CF is an old and outdated (not true) 3. CF has little future left and is a dying technology (possibly true... even if it's a self-fulfilling prophecy)

Re: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 12:04 AM, Gerald Guido wrote: > What is the deal with the bias and, at times, the flat out bigotry toward > CF? Could someone explain this to me? Everything makes more sense when you think of programming languages as religions. Each has it's own moderates and some have e

Re: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

Gerald Guido wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Robert Harrison > wrote: > > > their IT departments are flat out refusing CF technology. > > > What is the deal with the bias and, at times, the flat out bigotry toward > CF? Could someone explain this to me? > > I deal with thi

Re: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

Well I think if you say you want to stake the developers to the ant hill, then that is kind of bold, and I'm going to defend my coworkers. ;) Seriously - I'd consider trying it again. As for being able to select an install location, I'll give you that, but honestly, I can't remember the last time

Re: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

> If you haven't done CC, then you haven't seen the latest installer. It is > literally - click a button to see a list of stuff, click download, and > done. I just switched to CC last week, and Ray is absolutely right. I was kind of dreading the install, but it was very smooth. And it's easy to

Re: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

This is probably not the thread for this discussion but yes I have CC but I installed it when it was first released and have only done updates as notified since. It's been over a year, and what I was remember was a messy install that required me to install a tool to do the downloads, did not allo

Re: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

If you haven't done CC, then you haven't seen the latest installer. It is literally - click a button to see a list of stuff, click download, and done. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Maureen wrote: > > I haven't found it to be simple or quick. But it's been a while since > I did the last in

Re: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

I haven't found it to be simple or quick. But it's been a while since I did the last install. Perhaps they have improved it. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 4:38 AM, Raymond Camden wrote: > > You don't find the CC installer to be a heck of a lot simpler? Click the > menu - click a product - download -

Re: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

You don't find the CC installer to be a heck of a lot simpler? Click the menu - click a product - download - and done. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 5:03 AM, Maureen wrote: > > The worst part of any Adobe software is the install process. Always > has been. Not sure who determines how the installers

Re: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

To be fair, I posted that before I saw his post about it not being his choice. My statement however, stands. ROI on a conversion from CF to PHP simply for security reasons trends to nil. The only good reason I've ever heard for the switch is the cost of CF server software, and now that Railo ex

Re: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

On 18 March 2014 10:05, Maureen wrote: > > Hating CF is like hating a hammer. Hating PHP is like hating a huge > rock you are forced to use on the nails because the client won't let > you use a hammer. > Fantastic. That's put a smile on my face today. Thanks. ~

Re: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

Hating CF is like hating a hammer. Hating PHP is like hating a huge rock you are forced to use on the nails because the client won't let you use a hammer. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:09 PM, AJ Mercer wrote: > > CFers are just as bad - take a look back on the PHP comments in this thread > :-P ~~~

Re: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

The worst part of any Adobe software is the install process. Always has been. Not sure who determines how the installers work but would love to stake them out on an anthill. I've postponed new hardware purchases simply because I don't have time to reinstall all the Abode software I use for audio

Re: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

no come on guys be fair, he is just the developer and he has stated that he has no control over this. Most developers are in the same boat, the management have no interest in their advice or opinion, I have worked/contracted at many such places over the years and it is very frustrating to watch pe

Re: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

Ditto. I can code PHP fluently, but I charge twice as much as for CF coding and it takes twice as long. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 2:52 PM, <> wrote: > > And I will add the PHP is the uglyest language I've ever seen in about a 40 > years career. ~

Re: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

Yeah, because no PHP site has ever been hacked. Your clients would be much smarter to spend their money on a secure host than refactoring into a language that doesn't buy them one ounce more security. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Robert Harrison wrote: > > We're not releasing any more CF s

Re: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

Primarily because it is tag based, so some people think it is not real code Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 18 Mar 2014 04:06, "Gerald Guido" wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Robert Harrison < > rob...@austin-williams.com > > wrote: > > >

Re: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

or..use mod rewrite to change the .cfm extension to .php !! should confuse a lot of hackers and might even help the sales guys! Charlie Arehart has a relevant piece here: http://www.carehart.org/blog/client/index.cfm/2011/10/14/coldfusion_processing_html_or_other_file_extensions Andrew ~~