Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-17 Thread Peter Boughton
Another opportunity to expand your skill-set then. :) As long as you're willing to learn, the basics of Linux (etc) are not actually that hard. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know

Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread Jose Diaz
Hi Chris I had a similar issue a while back and went down the C# route, I also started a site which I have to admit I have let slip somewhat that compares CF syntax to C#.net http://www.cfdot.net Hope this helps. Jose Diaz On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Chris Johnson wrote: > > I suppose a

Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread Chris Johnson
I suppose another factor is that I've never dealt with anything other than MS-related products on the operating system and server level. Always been on a Windows PC working with code running on IIS servers. IIRC, when I first investigated JAVA, one of the issues was my level of inexperience w

Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread Dave Watts
> I wish I had the time, money, and mental energy to do that, but I imagine > getting my head around one new language/technology > will be challenging enough :) Well, actually, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by the similarity between C# and Java (and AS3, if you look at that too). The un

Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread Chris Johnson
>Try both, see which one you prefer. I wish I had the time, money, and mental energy to do that, but I imagine getting my head around one new language/technology will be challenging enough :) I'm a bit of a slow learner, so I'm trying to pace myself and focus on this :) ~

Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread Dave Watts
> I was curious what the group's thoughts were on the two above technologies > and which would be easier/more natural to move into. Well, they're actually pretty similar, so I'm not sure either would be easier or more natural than the other. If you use Java, that does have direct relevance to CF

RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread Will Swain
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:00 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer > If you can point me to where that is (or if you have the install file > for it), it would be appricated because everyw

Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread Gerald Guido
> could > > theoretically build your flex apps in a free ide and use the free > compiler > > to compile them. I'm sure if that's wrong someone will correct me. > > > > Will > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec.

RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread Jake Churchill
esday, August 12, 2009 10:00 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer > If you can point me to where that is (or if you have the install file > for it), it would be appricated because everywhere on the site that I > am looking, it says that it

Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread Dave Watts
> If you can point me to where that is (or if you have the install file > for it), it would be appricated because everywhere on the site that I > am looking, it says that it is only for 60 days and I can't seem to > find a developers version anywhere. It's the first link on this page: http://www.

Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread Phillip Vector
gt; http://www.cfwebtools.com > 402-408-3733 x103 > > -Original Message- > From: Rob Parkhill [mailto:robert.parkh...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:52 AM > To: cf-talk > Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer >

Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread Rob Parkhill
e Churchill > > CF Webtools > > 11204 Davenport, Ste. 100 > > Omaha, NE 68154 > > http://www.cfwebtools.com > > 402-408-3733 x103 > > -Original Message- > > From: Will Swain [mailto:w...@hothorse.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:45 AM > &g

Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread Phillip Vector
4 > http://www.cfwebtools.com > 402-408-3733 x103 > > -Original Message- > From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:48 AM > To: cf-talk > Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Develo

RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread Jake Churchill
l.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:52 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer Flex SDK : http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/ <http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/>Rob On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Phillip Vector wrote: > > Any

Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread Phillip Vector
E  68154 > http://www.cfwebtools.com > 402-408-3733 x103 > -Original Message- > From: Will Swain [mailto:w...@hothorse.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:45 AM > To: cf-talk > Subject: RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer > > >

RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread Jake Churchill
, August 12, 2009 9:48 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer Any idea where I can find the free compiler? On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Will Swain wrote: > > AFAIK, Flex is free, and the it's the flex builder ide that costs

Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread Rob Parkhill
> -Original Message- > > From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] > > Sent: 12 August 2009 15:22 > > To: cf-talk > > Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF > Developer > > > > > > I'm watching this

Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
> I was curious what the group's thoughts were on the two above > technologies and which would be easier/more natural to move into. First and foremost, a lot of the answer depends on the other language(s) you are familiar and comfortable with. If you cut your teeth on CF alone I don't know that

RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread Jake Churchill
-3733 x103 -Original Message- From: Will Swain [mailto:w...@hothorse.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:45 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer AFAIK, Flex is free, and the it's the flex builder ide that costs. You could theoretic

Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread Phillip Vector
'm sure if that's wrong someone will correct me. > > Will > > -Original Message- > From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] > Sent: 12 August 2009 15:22 > To: cf-talk > Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer >

RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread Will Swain
tor [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] Sent: 12 August 2009 15:22 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer I'm watching this convo and I'm convinced that I need to learn some Flex. But I went to the adobe site and saw only "Flex Builder"

Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread Phillip Vector
I'm watching this convo and I'm convinced that I need to learn some Flex. But I went to the adobe site and saw only "Flex Builder" and it's only good for 60 days. No developer edition that I could find. Is there something I am missing? Is there a way to install flex on my desktop and play around

Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread Dave l
Lots of jobs doesn't = good paying jobs. Markets flooded with .net & php devers don't pay crap and why should they when they have plenty of people who will take next to nothing. I was talking the other day with the head of a php shop and I think he sh*t himself when he looked through a few cfm

Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread Gerald Guido
+1 to what Peter Said. I recently converted a VB.net app to CF and I must say that I really took a shine to it. MS has an amazing tool set (as does Java for that matter) and I got comfortable in the environment rather quickly. ASP.net reminded me a lot of CF in some respects. The Code Behind aspe

Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread Dominic Watson
One advantage of choosing Java will be a deeper understanding of CF - increasing your value as a CF developer at well as giving you a second language. Dominic 2009/8/12 Chris Johnson > > With the economy and market as it is, and with current employment's > stability starting to wiggle, I'm bei

Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread Mike Chabot
Both technologies would be substantial shifts from what a CF programmer is used to. Both .NET and Java benefit from having a college education in engineering / computer science, or the equivalent years of experience, since both are have high learning curves. Another technology to learn is Adobe Fl

Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread Peter Boughton
> Sorry I was under the impression Chris was looking for opinions. Well he was, but mine is that he probably shouldn't be - not unless he can verify that it is an objective and balanced opinion from someone with good experience of both. (Not wanting any of this to come across as offensive/etc)

RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread Duane Boudreau
Sorry I was under the impression Chris was looking for opinions. -Original Message- From: Peter Boughton [mailto:bought...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:06 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer > My suggestion wo

Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread Peter Boughton
> My suggestion would be .Net. If you go the c# route the code is pretty > much identical to java. Uh... and if he goes the Java route the code is pretty much identical to C#. Although I wouldn't actually use "identical"; they're very similar but there *are* differences. Again, the best thing

RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread Duane Boudreau
ou've been working on and convert it to ASP.Net. Duane -Original Message- From: Chris Johnson [mailto:u...@askugg.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:19 AM To: cf-talk Subject: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer With the economy and market as it is

Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-12 Thread Peter Boughton
Try both, see which one you prefer. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messag

.NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer

2009-08-11 Thread Chris Johnson
With the economy and market as it is, and with current employment's stability starting to wiggle, I'm being forced to investigate other options. I was curious what the group's thoughts were on the two above technologies and which would be easier/more natural to move into. Not intending to aban