FLEX: are you HERE or are you NOW?

2004-03-31 Thread Peter Tilbrook
Well, it went really well initially. I was involved in the Flex beta from early on and beavered away on an RIA web-based email client (non-refreshing, drag/drop messages to folders etc, looks great, awesome actually). Showed the assembled crowd how it was put together (CFMX backend in my example)

Re: FLEX: are you HERE or are you NOW?

2004-03-31 Thread Christian Cantrell
On Mar 31, 2004, at 1:42 PM, Peter Tilbrook wrote: >  "How do I get 'Flex' and can I download a trial?" - Yes you can but > at the >  same time no you cannot. I had to say "pay up" or order the CD-ROM. > You >  cannot download it from an easily accessible site just yet (if ever). Here is inform

Re: FLEX: are you HERE or are you NOW?

2004-03-31 Thread Scott Weikert
At 01:26 PM 3/31/2004, Christianwrote: >Here is information on why the Flex trial is only currently available >on CD: > >http://www.macromedia.com/software/flex/productinfo/faq/#item-36 Why is the Flex trial only available on CD? Flex is an advanced enterprise server product that has generated ma

Re: FLEX: are you HERE or are you NOW?

2004-03-31 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Christian Cantrell wrote: > > Here is information on why the Flex trial is only currently available > on CD: > > http://www.macromedia.com/software/flex/productinfo/faq/#item-36 "Why is the Flex trial only available on CD?  Flex is an advanced enterprise server product that has generated m

Re: FLEX: are you HERE or are you NOW?

2004-03-31 Thread Howard Fore
On Mar 31, 2004, at 3:26 PM, Christian Cantrell wrote: > Here is information on why the Flex trial is only currently available > on CD: > > http://www.macromedia.com/software/flex/productinfo/faq/#item-36 From that URL: > Why is the Flex trial only available on CD? > Flex is an advanced enterpri

RE: FLEX: are you HERE or are you NOW?

2004-03-31 Thread Dave Watts
"Why is the Flex trial only available on CD? "Flex is an advanced enterprise server product that has generated massive interest and anticipation across the industry. Macromedia wants to ensure that early Flex customers get the support they need to evaluate the product successfully. A downloa

RE: FLEX: are you HERE or are you NOW?

2004-03-31 Thread Dave Watts
> Perhaps they could be a bit more forthcoming at how > paying $US 8.95 for a CD will give customers support. Fewer evaluators means fewer support incidents. The people who do evaluate it are more likely to be eventual customers, since they have to have a higher level of interest to actually orde

RE: FLEX: are you HERE or are you NOW?

2004-03-31 Thread Dave Carabetta
> > Perhaps they could be a bit more forthcoming at how > > paying $US 8.95 for a CD will give customers support. > >Fewer evaluators means fewer support incidents. The people who do evaluate >it are more likely to be eventual customers, since they have to have a >higher level of interest to actual

RE: FLEX: are you HERE or are you NOW?

2004-03-31 Thread Scott Weikert
At 03:35 PM 3/31/2004, you wrote: > > Now is it just me, or does that paragraph simply NOT answer > > the question it's associated with? How does offering it only > > on CD have anything to do with support? Files are files, > > whether they come on a CD or are downloadable. > >The answer is pretty

RE: FLEX: are you HERE or are you NOW?

2004-03-31 Thread Dave Watts
> While I see what you're saying, doesn't the fact that it's > $500 to even speak to a support engineer deter users already? > Or is the support matrix different for Flex users (i.e., you > get a couple free calls or something)? I thought that installation support, at least, was initially free.

RE: FLEX: are you HERE or are you NOW?

2004-03-31 Thread Dave Watts
> Why do you have to 'think about it' then? Why can't they just > come out and say that, if indeed that's their position? Because it sounds much nicer the way they say it, just like people talk about "passing away" rather than "kicking the bucket". Euphemism is often thought to be useful in the b

Re: FLEX: are you HERE or are you NOW?

2004-03-31 Thread Jeffry Houser
ll ERP suite)   Personally, I think it is great that MM is going after the enterprise market.  While flex does not directly affect me, I hope that Enterprise class folk will buy it, like the results, and then take another look at ColdFusion. At 04:02 PM 3/31/2004, you wrote: >Subject: FLEX:

Re: FLEX: are you HERE or are you NOW?

2004-03-31 Thread Howard Fore
On Mar 31, 2004, at 5:58 PM, Dave Watts wrote: > Just as we're free to criticize their distribution and marketing > decisions, > MM is free to disregard our freely offered marketing advice. I can > only add > that MM is marketing Flex the way a lot of enterprise products are > marketed. > Try d

Re: FLEX: are you HERE or are you NOW?

2004-04-01 Thread Christian Cantrell
On Mar 31, 2004, at 3:43 PM, Scott Weikert wrote: >  Now is it just me, or does that paragraph simply NOT answer the > question >  it's associated with? How does offering it only on CD have anything > to do >  with support? I think this question has been pretty well covered by responses form D

Re: FLEX: are you HERE or are you NOW?

2004-04-01 Thread Dick Applebaum
Christian I ordered the CD -- no prob! But i would have liked the option to immediately dload in addition to the CD. Tried to join the beta -- but it was closed. I have some time available & it would be nice to discuss from a position of experience, rather than just observing the examples (wh

Re: FLEX: are you HERE or are you NOW?

2004-04-01 Thread Dick Applebaum
Just to close the loop on this: I ordered the CD Monday 4:00 PM PST I received the CD Thursday 4:00 PM PST Pretty good service for 9 bucks Dick On Apr 1, 2004, at 6:50 AM, Dick Applebaum wrote: > Christian > >  I ordered the CD -- no prob! > >  But i would have liked the option to immediately

Re: FLEX: are you HERE or are you NOW?

2004-04-02 Thread Thomas Chiverton
On Wednesday 31 Mar 2004 19:42 pm, Peter Tilbrook wrote: > I was involved in the Flex beta Login to the beta site, and you can download a demo version of Flex - you should have received an email to this effect. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EM