Re: Help me convince my boss to go with CF

2005-12-23 Thread Cameron Childress
On 12/20/05, Dawson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it seems you are both at a stalemate: He knows PHP; You know CF. I think this is actually the most valid argument. If you have a buncha CF developers, it makes little sense to use PHP. If you have a shop full of PHP developers, you

Re: Help me convince my boss to go with CF

2005-12-23 Thread John Paul Ashenfelter
On 12/21/05, Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One the the biggest advantages of CF over PHP is that the interface to any database does not depent on the type of database. There are no calls to functionalities proper to the type of database. While I have certainly found the

Re: Help me convince my boss to go with CF

2005-12-23 Thread John Paul Ashenfelter
On 12/21/05, Josh Nathanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to everyone for all the great stuff on this thread. I have an uphill battle to get my boss to go with CF but now I have lots of ammo. To be blunt, I'm not sure you have a lot of ammo. It seems to me that so far -- other than anecdotes

Re: Help me convince my boss to go with CF

2005-12-23 Thread Jordan Michaels
John Paul Ashenfelter wrote: On 12/21/05, Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One the the biggest advantages of CF over PHP is that the interface to any database does not depent on the type of database. There are no calls to functionalities proper to the type of database. While

Re: Help me convince my boss to go with CF

2005-12-23 Thread Claude Schneegans
one enormous benefit of db-specific libraries is that they can be specifically optimized for the database I agree, but if optimization is really a concern, write your own CGI -- or better ISAPI -- application in C (yes, I said C, not C++) . IMO, using an extra layer like CF or PHP makes

Re: Help me convince my boss to go with CF

2005-12-22 Thread Will Tomlinson
Thanks to everyone for all the great stuff on this thread. I have an uphill battle to get my boss to go with CF but now I have lots of ammo. Dude, you have a flame thrower! :) Will ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and

Re: Help me convince my boss to go with CF

2005-12-22 Thread Jerry Johnson
Remember who you're audience is. He is a programmer who thinks in precedural terms. He probably scoffs at scripting languages (which is what CF feels like). He is probably a little intimidated with OOP. You are not easily going to change his basic underlying prejudice towards his development

RE: Help me convince my boss to go with CF

2005-12-21 Thread Snake
-Talk Subject: Help me convince my boss to go with CF Hello All, I'm the web dude at a small clothing company in San Francisco. Although my boss is now CEO of the company, he started out as a C programmer and so is a PHP fan. Currently our storefront is Miva Merchant. I on the other hand am a CF

Re: Help me convince my boss to go with CF

2005-12-21 Thread Ken Ferguson
This isn't going to be a popular response for a CF list, but if you are going to use a packaged app for your store, I'd suggest staying with PHP and using X-Cart. I'm a full-time CF developer and have been for years, but when it comes to a storefront application, this is the best out there.

Re: Help me convince my boss to go with CF

2005-12-21 Thread Claude Schneegans
One the the biggest advantages of CF over PHP is that the interface to any database does not depent on the type of database. There are no calls to functionalities proper to the type of database. Then php is the only language I've seen in more than 30 years career that is so dumb that it is the

Re: Help me convince my boss to go with CF

2005-12-21 Thread dave
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Help me convince my boss to go with CF I can give you a specific example. I undertook a private pro-bono project for the volunteer radio station I have my show on, about the same time as a friend in the USA did a similar thing. He and a colleague

Re: Help me convince my boss to go with CF

2005-12-21 Thread Larry Lyons
Hello All, I'm the web dude at a small clothing company in San Francisco. Although my boss is now CEO of the company, he started out as a C programmer and so is a PHP fan. Currently our storefront is Miva Merchant. Josh, FWIW, and to show how easy it is to do a CF based website for a

Re: Help me convince my boss to go with CF

2005-12-21 Thread dave
/ From: Larry Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 2:47 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Help me convince my boss to go with CF Hello All, I'm the web dude at a small clothing company in San Francisco. Although my boss is now CEO

RE: Help me convince my boss to go with CF

2005-12-21 Thread Kevin Aebig
convince my boss to go with CF Good God in heaven... if you are presently using MIVA I have to believe there is nowhere to go but up. I just got done buying product as a customer of a MIVA system and I was sadly reacquainted with how truly awful -- how very mid 1990's (as in Devonian period

RE: Help me convince my boss to go with CF

2005-12-21 Thread Bobby Hartsfield
thing. That list could go on for days. ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com -Original Message- From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Help me convince my boss to go

Re: Help me convince my boss to go with CF

2005-12-21 Thread Josh Nathanson
, 2005 1:53 PM Subject: RE: Help me convince my boss to go with CF Unless PHP has changed DRASTICALLYCompare this cffile action=upload filefield=myfile destination=C:\somedirectory or this... cfquery name=qry datasource=dsn Select * from table /cfquery or this... cftrycfcatch

Help me convince my boss to go with CF

2005-12-20 Thread Josh Nathanson
Hello All, I'm the web dude at a small clothing company in San Francisco. Although my boss is now CEO of the company, he started out as a C programmer and so is a PHP fan. Currently our storefront is Miva Merchant. I on the other hand am a CF devotee (intermediate level) with very little

RE: Help me convince my boss to go with CF

2005-12-20 Thread Dawson, Michael
with CF is the excellent programmers on this list. M!ke -Original Message- From: Josh Nathanson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Help me convince my boss to go with CF Hello All, I'm the web dude at a small clothing company in San

Re: Help me convince my boss to go with CF

2005-12-20 Thread Ray Champagne
- From: Josh Nathanson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Help me convince my boss to go with CF Hello All, I'm the web dude at a small clothing company in San Francisco. Although my boss is now CEO of the company, he started out as a C

Re: Help me convince my boss to go with CF

2005-12-20 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
Just to add to those comments...if you look around, you may find some comparison articles that may be helpful elsewhere on the net. Here's one from the Macromedia (Adobe) site that has some good code comparisons: http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/coldfusion/articles/php_cfmx.html Something that

Re: Help me convince my boss to go with CF

2005-12-20 Thread Mike Kear
I can give you a specific example. I undertook a private pro-bono project for the volunteer radio station I have my show on, about the same time as a friend in the USA did a similar thing.He and a colleague took two years to build their station's site, http://wamu.org which has about

Re: Help me convince my boss to go with CF

2005-12-20 Thread Will Tomlinson
Maybe to build on mike's post, you could have your boss write some basic php code he usually uses, then translate it to CF, so he can actually SEE how much his looks like NASA Egyptian hieroglyphics code compared to soothing CF. :) Will

Re: Help me convince my boss to go with CF

2005-12-20 Thread Matt Robertson
Good God in heaven... if you are presently using MIVA I have to believe there is nowhere to go but up. I just got done buying product as a customer of a MIVA system and I was sadly reacquainted with how truly awful -- how very mid 1990's (as in Devonian period) -- their product was insofar as