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From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 31 October 2005 22:28
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: How to recognize robots
On 10/31/05, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This might help
>
> http://www.the-robotman.com/
Real nice, Claude. I spent a fair amount of time playing with that
htmldog script yesterday and I have it to the point where its
decent-looking in Firefox, but not quite perfect. Had to play with it
to get
If you can make that thing into a commercial product, come up with
developer pricing so I
>>An updated, even lighter-weight version of those menus is outlined here:
http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/
I remember I had a look at this one. What I didn't like is that you need
to define CSS stuff for each level in the menu, which can get quite
complicated. I solved the
>>Do you have a particular favorite in mind for this sort of menu?
Sure: my own mine! ;-)
I'm using a first version here: www.fafo.on.ca
I may release a commercial version for it, the only problem now is that
I need to make some tools to edit the CSS file
and the menu items in the database, and
they are made of metal and are full of wires and gyros and stuff
(sorry...been kiling me all day not to send that...carry on) ;-)
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAI
On 11/1/05, Brian Peddle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.alistapart.com/articles/dropdowns/
An updated, even lighter-weight version of those menus is outlined here:
http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/
They are the only dropdowns we use now.
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http://kay.zom
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/dropdowns/
Also google accessible css dropdowns there are a ton. Everything in that
book is out there.
-Original Message-
From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 5:28 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: How to recognize
On 10/31/05, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This might help
>
> http://www.the-robotman.com/
Help to tell me how I can get a life-size Robby the Robot? (which by
the way I wouldn't mind having but its SOT :-) )
Dave, thanks for the css link. I might pick that book up. I have
some very basic
This might help
http://www.the-robotman.com/
Russ
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From: Dave Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 31 October 2005 21:59
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: How to recognize robots
Try this, which is really a resource site for a book of the same name. And
look for the link
: How to recognize robots
On 10/31/05, Claude Schneegans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, and this is why the best dynamic menu systems nowadays use pure
> UL/LI lists for the menu items and links, and JS only for the layout, so
> that search engines do not hit a wall.
Do you ha
On 10/31/05, Claude Schneegans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, and this is why the best dynamic menu systems nowadays use pure
> UL/LI lists for the menu items and links, and JS only for the layout, so
> that search engines do not hit a wall.
Do you have a particular favorite in mind for this so
>>So a rollover script using JS would be a wall for the search engines?
Depends it if relies on JS to create and to open the links.
Personnally, I use a menu with only UL, LI and >I've talked to few people that manage PPC accounts as their sole
business
(biased) and they keep telling me SEO is d
in
titles and links etc.
Any thoughts?
Matt
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From: "Claude Schneegans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk"
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 10:47 AM
Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: How to recognize robots
> >>This is pretty much the ca
>>This is pretty much the case not just for email harvesters, but for
search
engines in general. Very few can evaluate JavaScript for indexing purposes.
Yes, and this is why the best dynamic menu systems nowadays use pure
UL/LI lists for the menu items and links, and JS only for the layout, so
>>So the basic idea behind Wpoison is to trap unwary and badly engineered
address harvesting web crawlers, and to fool them into adding enormous
quantities of completely bogus e-mail addresses to the E-mail address
data bases of the spammers...
Ok, but if I was an address harvester, I think I wou
The email addresses don't look to be very valid. They are missing the
"place".
But, I like the concept. ;^)
M!ke
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From: Les Mizzell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 9:27 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: How to recognize robots
>
> I don't want to rain on your parade, but I'd be very
> surprised if an email harvesting bot would be intelligent
> enough to parse that javascript and suck up the generated
> output. Remember that the Javascript has to be processed
> client side.
>
> I might be wrong though. I know people do
> Ok, but my point is WHY give a do not crawl command to good bots such as
> Google? Don't you want you site to be indexed?
It's only this one page I don't want indexed. The site this is on has
historically been in the top 5 or so on Google and Yahoo for the last
two or three years.
> I alrea
>>The only bots that ever actually hit it are spam harvestors.
Ok, I see.
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>>I think his point was that good bots such as google will obey his do not
crawl command.
Ok, but my point is WHY give a do not crawl command to good bots such as
Google?
Don't you want you site to be indexed?
>> He is trying to annoy the scumbags who crawl websites to steal email
address so t
>One bot loaded this page 15 times before it left!
I don't want to rain on your parade, but I'd be very surprised if an email
harvesting bot would be intelligent enough to parse that javascript and suck up
the generated output. Remember that the Javascript has to be processed client
side.
I mi
> I for one applaud his efforts and would be very interested in seeing the
> code if you don't mind Les
One bot loaded this page 15 times before it left! That's 75,000 email
addresses it harvested. So, the spammer then uses this list to send
spam, and if the network admin of the system being use
> I think you're having a weird idea of what the robots are doing.
> I certainly do not want to annoy Google's bot or others ;-)
No, the page I wrote about is specifically EXCLUDED from the googlebot
or any other "friendly" bot. The only bots that ever actually hit it are
spam harvestors.
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I think his point was that good bots such as google will obey his do not
crawl command.
He is trying to annoy the scumbags who crawl websites to steal email
address so they can spam people, these jerks ignore the robots file and love
to follow do not follow links.
I for one applaud his efforts an
>>I have a page I've been using on a site just to annoy harvester bots.
I think you're having a weird idea of what the robots are doing.
I certainly do not want to annoy Google's bot or others ;-)
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I have a page I've been using on a site just to annoy harvester bots.
This page is listed in my "robots" file as a "do not crawl" page, which
the harvester bots love to visit!
The page contains a javascript version of wpoison written by D.K.Merriman.
To a bot, the page in question looks like a
>>The HTTP_User_Agent.
Yeah, I should have gessed! ;-)
I think, I'll just add the user agent in my stats and work something
around it.
Are you running CF 7 enterprise or pro?
This particular site is still under CF 5
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>>>The good ones identify themselves.
>
>Ok, and how do they do that?
The HTTP_User_Agent. Google and Yahoo will show up with their name in the
agent. Others will as well. On the other hand, when you see something that
looks like IE but doesn't act like a human would, then it's time to think it
>>One way is to use an image in your page that is actually a cfm file.
Hmmm, this will also be blocked by some email readers, including my own,
and I have some pages sent by email (News letter).
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> The reason I ask, is that I just implemented some statistics facility
> on some of my customers sites. This will count all hits, including
those
> from robots, so I'd like to be able to discriminates visitors hits
from
> others.
One way is to use an image in your page that is actually a cfm fil
: Re: How to recognize robots
>>The good ones identify themselves.
Ok, and how do they do that?
If a series of page requests from the same agent/ip is showing a
different cfid/cftoken per request, then either its a user that does not
support cookies (even session ones) or its a bot.
>>The good ones identify themselves.
Ok, and how do they do that?
If a series of page requests from the same agent/ip is showing a
different cfid/cftoken per request, then either its a user that does not
support cookies (even session ones) or its a bot.
Well, actually not really easy to imple
The good ones identify themselves. The bad ones can be tracked by logging every
page request while setting a cfid/cftoken. If a series of page requests from
the same agent/ip is showing a different cfid/cftoken per request, then either
its a user that does not support cookies (even session ones)
Has any one a trick to detect and identify robots and search engine
visiting CF pages?
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