Re: Novell to acquire SUSE

2003-11-07 Thread Jochem van Dieten
John Paul Ashenfelter wrote: I always thought the key reason to choose a Linux distro was because it was *better* than Windows, not because it was *cheaper*. Or perhaps because it is Open Source, which might be a requirement for the job. I'll echo Dave Watts and others comments though -- if

Re: Novell to acquire SUSE

2003-11-06 Thread Thomas Chiverton
On Wednesday 05 Nov 2003 18:58 pm, Joshua Miller wrote: I'm not saying I'll go back to Windows, I'm just saying that I'll find another distribution of the free Linux OS that doesn't cost $200. Fedora do you ? :-) -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email:

Re: Novell to acquire SUSE

2003-11-05 Thread Thomas Chiverton
On Tuesday 04 Nov 2003 15:49 pm, Dave Carabetta wrote: It is not a supported product of Red Hat, Inc. Although they are still backing it up with ftp, build hosts, cvs etc. This version is a proving ground for features that may or may not make it into their hardened server versions. Just

Re: Novell to acquire SUSE

2003-11-05 Thread Thomas Chiverton
On Tuesday 04 Nov 2003 18:15 pm, Joshua Miller wrote: But if you go to the store RedHat costs what, like $30-$40? Granted the Enterprise Version is expensive, but you can still buy the boxed version of RedHat Linux which I'm sure will be as reliable as ever. Not after April. -- Tom Chiverton

Re: Novell to acquire SUSE

2003-11-05 Thread Joshua Miller
Yes, I didn't see the other articles that explained what was happening with the Workstation line. I just assumed that they would keep the workstation version active - apparently they are, but it now costs $179+. What's with all these expensive Linux distros now? Go look at prices for a

RE: Novell to acquire SUSE

2003-11-05 Thread Douglas.Knudsen
, November 05, 2003 11:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Novell to acquire SUSE Yes, I didn't see the other articles that explained what was happening with the Workstation line. I just assumed that they would keep the workstation version active - apparently they are, but it now costs $179+. What's

Re: Novell to acquire SUSE

2003-11-05 Thread John Paul Ashenfelter
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joshua Miller To: CF-Talk Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:33 AM Subject: Re: Novell to acquire SUSE Yes, I didn't see the other articles that explained what was happening with the Workstation line. I just assumed that they would keep

Re: Novell to acquire SUSE

2003-11-05 Thread Joshua Miller
] - Original Message - From: Joshua Miller To: CF-Talk Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:33 AM Subject: Re: Novell to acquire SUSE Yes, I didn't see the other articles that explained what was happening with the Workstation line. I just assumed that they would keep the workstation

Re: Novell to acquire SUSE

2003-11-05 Thread Matt Liotta
My comment about the cost of Linux was simply related to statements made in the past by Linux vendors and the Free Software Foundation about how the cost of Windows is exorbitant even for paid software. I was merely commenting on how they seem to have changed their tune now that they're

SOT: Novell to acquire SUSE

2003-11-04 Thread Dave Carabetta
Thought this was interesting: http://www.suse.com/us/company/press/press_releases/archive03/novell_suse.html With RedHat ending their free distros (well, at least the free versions that won't change every 2 weeks), and now this acquisition, seems like cost-benefit of Linux is slowly dying.

RE: Novell to acquire SUSE

2003-11-04 Thread Adam Hope
of Redhat Linux and if you want to buy a version it will have to be from the Advanced/Enterprise fold. Adam. -Original Message- From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2003 15:23 To: CF-Talk Subject: SOT: Novell to acquire SUSE Thought

RE: Novell to acquire SUSE

2003-11-04 Thread Dave Carabetta
Redhat are not ending their free distros in fact they are extending the free distro into a new release called Fedora. See http://fedora.redhat.com. Yes, I know about Fedora. Perhaps the most important sentence on the page you refer to is this: It is not a supported product of Red Hat, Inc.

RE: Novell to acquire SUSE

2003-11-04 Thread Joshua Miller
But if you go to the store RedHat costs what, like $30-$40? Granted the Enterprise Version is expensive, but you can still buy the boxed version of RedHat Linux which I'm sure will be as reliable as ever. Personally I think that the free proving ground version is an excellent idea, it will give

RE: Novell to acquire SUSE

2003-11-04 Thread Dave Watts
But if you go to the store RedHat costs what, like $30-$40? Granted the Enterprise Version is expensive, but you can still buy the boxed version of RedHat Linux which I'm sure will be as reliable as ever. It is my understanding that RedHat is discontinuing all sales of RedHat Linux, except

Re: Novell to acquire SUSE

2003-11-04 Thread Tom Kitta
: Novell to acquire SUSE But if you go to the store RedHat costs what, like $30-$40? Granted the Enterprise Version is expensive, but you can still buy the boxed version of RedHat Linux which I'm sure will be as reliable as ever. It is my understanding that RedHat is discontinuing all sales

RE: Novell to acquire SUSE

2003-11-04 Thread Dave Carabetta
But if you go to the store RedHat costs what, like $30-$40? Granted the Enterprise Version is expensive, but you can still buy the boxed version of RedHat Linux which I'm sure will be as reliable as ever. However, RH up to version 9 stops being supported (patches, errata, etc.) on Dec. 31, and

RE: Novell to acquire SUSE

2003-11-04 Thread Dave Carabetta
But if you go to the store RedHat costs what, like $30-$40? Granted the Enterprise Version is expensive, but you can still buy the boxed version of RedHat Linux which I'm sure will be as reliable as ever. It is my understanding that RedHat is discontinuing all sales of RedHat Linux,

Re: Novell to acquire SUSE

2003-11-04 Thread Matt Liotta
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RE: Novell to acquire SUSE

2003-11-04 Thread Joshua Miller
Wow, so the Workstation version will now be $179 for the basic install. That sucks, I just switched my main computer over to RedHat from Windows and I'm loving it, but at $179 I bet a lot of people will learn to love Mandrake. For workstation use however, I'm sure Fedora will be all that I (and

Re: Novell to acquire SUSE

2003-11-04 Thread Matt Liotta
I never said Fedora was a bad idea. I did say and will say that it's a bad idea to use it as a production server. You may disagree, but I'm not willing to bet my job and my business on an unsupported platform. Personal use is not the same as commercial use. What is an unsupported

Re: Novell to acquire SUSE

2003-11-04 Thread Matt Liotta
It is my understanding that RedHat is discontinuing all sales of RedHat Linux, except for their Enterprise version. So, that'll leave you with two options - download Fedora (which is completely unsupported) or buy RedHat Enterprise. Or use another distribution. Matt Liotta President CEO

Re: Novell to acquire SUSE

2003-11-04 Thread Matt Liotta
Wow, so the Workstation version will now be $179 for the basic install. That sucks, I just switched my main computer over to RedHat from Windows and I'm loving it, but at $179 I bet a lot of people will learn to love Mandrake. For workstation use however, I'm sure Fedora will be all that I

Re: Novell to acquire SUSE

2003-11-04 Thread Dave Carabetta
What is an unsupported platform anyway? Ever tried to get support from Microsoft for Windows? Ever found a bug in Windows and demanded that Microsoft fix it? There are plenty of companies that specialize in supporting platforms whether they be Windows, Solaris, or Linux, so its not like you can't

Re: Novell to acquire SUSE

2003-11-04 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Dave Carabetta wrote: Linux is popular for many reasons and Red Hat's decisions won't affect that as Linux exists outside of Red Hat. There will always be distributions that are free as in beer. However, for the purposes of this list, those other distros aren't necessarily supported by

Re: Novell to acquire SUSE

2003-11-04 Thread Matt Liotta
I believe that up2date will not continue to work on RH pre-version 9 distros after Dec. 31. That may be true, but that is simply a service provided by Red Hat. There are other ways of achieving the same thing without relying on Red hat. Yes, but superior technology does not stay superior