Re: Honest question about cfform

One of the many applications I inherited and support uses CFFORM exclusively throughout it. I know a number of other applications at that same business are just like that but those are handled by offshore folks and I am 99.9% certain they have not deviated from using it since they more or less ju

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Thank you all for taking the time to answer. It has been most enlightening.I must say that assumptions made were more interesting than the answers themselves. G! -- Gerald Guido Twitter Blarg Facebook

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And btw - don't forget - there is a whole project dedicated to helping you replace these items. (So instead of just saying Dont Do X, we can do Do This) - https://github.com/cfjedimaster/ColdFusion-UI-the-Right-Way On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Jochem van Dieten wrote: > > On Mar 4, 2014 5:

Re: Honest question about cfform

On Mar 4, 2014 5:40 AM, "Gerald Guido" wrote: > Why are people so vehemently opposed so to CFForm? Because it will only get you so far. And once you want to go further, you'll find that you can't. So then you have to go back, rip out cfform and replace it with something else. At which point you w

Re: Honest question about cfform

That may have been the case at one time. HOWEVER with HTML 5 and such jQuery plugins as jQuery.Validate, even that argument in favour of CFFORM is no longer valid. With HTML 5 (assuming that the client browser can handle it) even required fields are much easier to do than with CF now. About the

Re: Honest question about cfform

On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Gerald Guido wrote: > My bad: Why are people so vehemently opposed to CFForm? Rule of thumb: Anything that is built into CF and spits out Java, Javascript, Flash, or any other client side "parsed in the browser stuff" should be avoided. Adobe has a roughly 18 mo

RE: Honest question about cfform

> I have used cf since v4 and it has always had both client side and server > side validation Ditto... but for client side validation I seldom use CFFORM unless it is a very simple form. CFFORM is good for required fields and for some validation of data types entered in fields. It falls short

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I have used cf since v4 and it has always had both client side and server side validation On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:45 PM, <> wrote: > > >>Why are people so vehemently opposed so to CFForm? > > Mainly for historical reason. I don't know how is CFForm nowadays, but > when it first appeared in CF

Re: Honest question about cfform

>>Why are people so vehemently opposed so to CFForm? Mainly for historical reason. I don't know how is CFForm nowadays, but when it first appeared in CF, it was really week, missing a lot of essential features, and every message coming out of it was only in English, making it not an option fo

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I think it is acceptable to let CF do some things for you. For example, I don't want to go to Java and write the code to handle database calls. Could I? Sure. (Ok, I lie.) But is it a good use of my time? Probably not. I let CF handle that aspect for me and it has never been a problem. On the fli

Re: Honest question about cfform

On 3/3/2014 10:39 PM, Gerald Guido wrote: > Why are people so vehemently opposed so to CFForm? > > Many TIA in advance, > > Curious-G! > > -- > Gerald Guido > > Twitter > Blarg > Facebook

Re: Honest question about cfform

The cfide has caused so many security issues that it is best to simply avoid using it all and do not even have it in your site. The other issue is that you are reliant on this virtual dir. I have seen many customers who were oblivious to this requirement when they moved their hosting and as a resu

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Gerald, I used to use CFFORM, and it quickly got outdated as HTML and CSS and Javascript and jquery moved on. These days HTML5 is the go with CSS3. CFFORM doesnt produce those. Therefore things like client side validation, placeholder text, cross-browser issues, mobile devices are all

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There is always better ways to do things than using the client side CF code. I have not looked at the output of CFFORM JavaScript in ages, but if it has not been updated at all there’s a good chance it’s not fully compatible with today’s browsers. There are also form validation frameworks. O

Re: Honest question about cfform

Never. Ever. I have never used cfform and it's unfathomable to me to think I ever would. The only conceivable efficiency for cfform is for a developer that knows essentially nothing other than following along with his / her WACK and got to the part that says, "Oh, shiny!" And no, that's not actua

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Not ever? As in 100% never? Curious, G! -- Gerald Guido Twitter Blarg Facebook On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:56 AM, Matt Quackenbush wrote: > > I'm not sure what you're asking (saying

Re: Honest question about cfform

I'm not sure what you're asking (saying?), but if you're asking me if it's worth not using cfform the answer is a resounding hell yes! There is no viable use case for cfform in my world. On Mar 4, 2014 12:44 AM, "Gerald Guido" wrote: > > I am acutely aware of the arguments on both sides. > > But

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I am acutely aware of the arguments on both sides. But as I start rewriting our form validation system, as you have Mr. Quackenbush, I really have to pose the question: Is the juice worth the squeeze? Food for thought G! -- Gerald Guido Twitter Blarg

Re: Honest question about cfform

The business case is that it is bloated, outdated (i.e. the Javascript libraries that it utilizes), and it is not even good Javascript at that. Maybe you would be better served giving your case for it and then folks can provide counterpoints. But the answer to the question you asked is what I gav

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I am going to ignore that. Can I get a business case argument? Thanxk G! -- Gerald Guido Twitter Blarg Facebook On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:57 PM, Matt Quackenbush wrote: > > In a

Re: Honest question about cfform

ColdFusion is great, but avoid cfform, cfupdate, etc. If it seems to good to be true, it is. Learn to build forms and queries manually. You'll be much better off in the long run. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 8:57 PM, Matt Quackenbush wrote: > > In a nutshell > > Because it's a bloated, outd

Re: Honest question about cfform

In a nutshell Because it's a bloated, outdated, streaming pile of dung. :-) On Mar 3, 2014 10:43 PM, "Gerald Guido" wrote: > > My bad: Why are people so vehemently opposed to CFForm? > > G! > > -- > Gerald Guido > > Twitter > Blarg

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My bad: Why are people so vehemently opposed to CFForm? G! -- Gerald Guido Twitter Blarg Facebook On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Gerald Guido wrote: > Why are people so vehement